Suppose you’re looking to make some deals and you have an infielder who averages 19 HRs, 68 RBIs and .268 per season for his career. You have an outfielder who averaged 28 HRs, 76
RBIs and a .252 average (and was a three time All Star). Then you have a first baseman who would provide 27
HRs, 80 RBIs and a .242 average. Then
there was another outfielder who could give you 31/94/.247 and was a three-time All
Star. Then there was a reliever who
provided seasons of 1.17, 1.97 and 2.57 ERAs for the Mets. What do you think trading away this bundle of
sluggers and a talented reliever could net you?
Well, if you’re Sandy Alderson (or John Ricco as some
suggest was calling the shots), not a whole lot, apparently. Let’s take a look at the “haul” the Mets
received during the 2017 sell-off:
Eric Hanhold had a breakthrough year in Binghamton, going 3-1
with a 2.84 ERA and a great WHIP of 1.184 with over 11 Ks per 9 IP over 17
games. Then he hit the Las Vegas wall
where he pitched over 14 games to 7.11 ERA.
In a brief trial in Queens he pitched to a 7.71 ERA before being
disabled and now apparently put onto the 60-day DL to clear a space for David
Wright. He was obtained from the Brewers
for Neil Walker in the only deal during the great selloff in which the Mets
paid down salary.
Curtis Granderson netted the Mets the bespectacled Jacob
Rhame from the Dodgers organization. He
was mostly awful in his 2017 and 2018 stints with the Mets, going 2-3 with a
7.11 ERA and an awful WHIP of 1.632. Now
I’m a little more lenient on Rhame than I am on some of the others having seen
him up close playing for the 51s when I was covering their games against the
Chihuahuas. He was able to manhandle the
opposition. His 25 games in the PCL
resulted in a 3.06 ERA and a 5:1 strikeout to walk ratio. There’s something there…how he gets it to
translate to the next level is Dave Eiland’s job.
Lucas Duda’s banishment to Tampa resulted in the acquisition
of Drew Smith who had by far the best numbers of any of the relievers acquired
last year. He came up this season and
initially was looking to be the real deal but his last 3-4 outings he’s been
more of a batting practice pitcher. Even
so, by comparison to the poor performances of the others, his now 3.86 ERA is
All Star worthy. In Las Vegas’ pitching
hell he managed a 2.76 ERA, his worst mark in a minor league career stat line
of just 2.22. He’s a keeper.
In mid 2017 the Mets had the leading RBI batter in the
National League and all they got in return was a low level minor leaguer by the
name of Ryder Ryan. At age 23 he started
the year impressively in St. Lucie, dominating the opposition with a 1.77 ERA,
excellent control and resulting in a promotion to AA. In Binghamton the positive sign was he
maintained the good control but the ERA mushroomed up to 4.13. He’ll likely start the year there again but
should make it up to Syracuse during 2019 and perhaps even to the Mets.
Gerson Bautista was one of three pitchers acquired from the Red
Sox for Addison Reed and the Mets are probably wishing they had a do-over. The man can throw the ball through a wall but
if you can’t find the wall or have no movement on the pitch then major leaguers
will tee off on you. In his brief trials
in the big leagues it’s been fugly. He
managed to last just 4.1 IP and has a WHIP of 3.00 with an ERA of 12.46. He was the Bizarro-World Jacob deGrom in Las
Vegas, going 3-1 with a 5.22 ERA and a WHIP of nearly 2.000. Just like many hard throwers before him –
Josh Smoker, Jack Leathersich and others – velocity alone is not enough to
succeed.
Stephen Nogosek had a reputation as a hard throwing but wild
reliever who could fan batters but walk nearly as many. He seemed to get the handle on some of his
repertoire this year in St. Lucie, posting his best ever stretch with a 3.06
ERA over 23 games with over 10 Ks per 9 IP.
Unfortunately that was accompanied by over 5 walks in that same
metric. However, it did merit him a
promotion to Binghamton where it was a rude awakening. In 16 games he had an 8.10 ERA and a slightly
reduced K rate of 9.5 per 9 IP.
Unfortunately, his walk rate was exactly the same 9.5 per 9 IP. A work in progress is the most optimistic way
to view his progress.
The pitcher deemed closest to the majors in that trade was
Jamie Callahan who was not completely awful in his 2017 trial. He provided a 4.06 ERA over 9 games but after
7 games in Las Vegas pitching to a 9.72 ERA he went under the knife for Tommy
John surgery.
My plea to the NY Mets is PLEASE do not hand the reins to John Ricco in 2019. Even if it was Sandy’s call, he was in the
room and should have spoken up to say “You’re being fleeced!” We saw more of the same since Sandy stepped
down, so the pattern needs to change.
10 comments:
The relievers listed are all back end dudes, not anchor pen arms. 5.02 ERA for the pen this year BEFORE last night's latest pen choke job. A major overhaul is needed - Paul (Anthony young) Sewald (0-13 career) must go.
I thought all these relief deals were a Godsend... I was wrong.
Handhold (different spelling for 'handj..?'is a perfect example of another pitcher that put up break AA stats only to prove out in the long run that they didn't have the right stuff.
Speaking of 'the right stuff', he looked good last night... in the 4.1 seconds he played.
Yeah they were handholding their d/@k$ when they should of been grabbing their baseballs? Damn frustrating organization, just to save a few bucks when you could of revamped the future
Bad deals at the time they were made. Bad deals now. Will be seen as bad deals in the future.
Those that made these decisions have proven incapable.
They should not be anywhere near organizational decision making.
Some things are simple.
Other than talent evaluation, timing, and strategic decision making, this front office has been great.
2nd to 4th tier free agents looking for "value" and trading away proven talent for mediocrities was never going to be a formula for success. A total housecleaning is needed in the front office.
Reese your being kind with your review and including last winter's disaster moves it's no wonder we've had the year we've had with only Vargas recently showing some improvement. With this FO it's seems to be the old line about "you throw enough s**t against the wall and some will stick" except not this time. It's really hard to imagine such a large # of trades and FA signings being any worse so I guess that's the hope for next year or as I like to think of it: with the bar set this low it really has no place else to go but up ...right? A positive way to look at here is the new GM has to be a big improvement almost by default.
Unless the new GM is same as the old GM and one of the Three Stooges gets handed the keys to the castle. That's my biggest fear. Even more than the Wilpons.
Despite the expected eye rolling I anticipate getting, I liked these trades asked on the circumstances. What I didn’t like is The Coupons not adding money to get even better players. But, you trade for good arms and hope your coaches can help them, and you can’t expect to hit on each deal. The Duda trade for a kid that far away was disappointing, but the Braves got John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander when Smoltz was in A ball. Again, you needed to add dollars to get better talent but they wouldn’t.
I loved the Reed deal and still do. I think Alderson fleeced Danbrowski back for getting Fulmer for Cespedes. Red Sox fans were furious at losing their #16 prospect from a loaded system that might have been top 10 on the Mets; let’s let the guy come back first. Bautista has potential and is still young, but has control issues. So, he aims the pitches, they straighten out because he’s shorting them to increase control, and they get smashed. Let’s let this kid grow. Nogosek is just too far away to predict, but he had wonderful reviews from his previous level so let’s be patient. Rhame needs to learn that the change up is his friend because he really is the one with the straight fastball, and Handhold must harness his stuff better in Syracuse before he comes up.
Should they have done better? Yes. Can we tell in one year how they will turn out? No. It has been said time and again that trades take five years to figure out who wins, but sometimes the answer comes sooner. I don’t think anyone on this board can look at these prospects and see a finished product. So, let’s give this kids a chance.
Adding money is part of making trades.
My eyes have rolled with such force that they flew out my ears and crashed through the nearby window.
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