One of the things that always revives a team's fans is above average performance from a newcomer to the team. Now getting a good year out of someone who joined the club via trade or free agency is one level of appreciation (though mostly the Mets fans have forgotten what that feels like). No, instead the topic today concerns rookie players who came up through the farm system. They make both the front office and development folks look like winners for having made the selection and nurturing the talent.
Truth be told, there's a great affinity many fans have for Pete Alonso, Jeff McNeil, Brandon Nimmo, Michael Conforto, Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Seth Lugo and others. Sometimes this fan fervor is well founded, but other times it's irrational based upon loyalty when the wick has burned out on that particular candle. Today is not the time to think about people whose better days are behind them and they're not worth the money they'd command on the open market. It's about how it feels when you see one of these people who worked his way up through the system and gave the club some stellar years at very low cost.
Thinking back through the Mets history, remember what it was like to have someone like John Milner come up through the minor league system and provide the team with a surprising amount of power during an era when scoring runs was even more challenging that it was this past year.
Wally Backman and Edgardo Alfonzo are second basemen who made fans realize that it was indeed possible to grow and support talent that had its heartbeat in the Mets organization.
While traditionally shortstops like Bud Harrelson were once what the position demanded -- a strong glove and fast feet -- the role has evolved into one with more offensive capability. Look no further than the recent acquisitions of players like Asdrubal Cabrera and then Francisco Lindor.
For third base the position has indeed been a black hole for the team until David Wright made his way up from Virginia to establish himself as a borderline Hall of Famer before health issues curtailed his career. Do you remember what it felt like each time he made a play or swung the bat or stole a base?
Behind the dish, like shortstop, it was once a role primarily concerned with defensive capability and health. Then when you saw offensive weapons evolve at catcher like Gary Carter and Mike Piazza people no longer were happy with the Charlie O'Brien types. Although there were questions about how he developed his power, Todd Hundley was a home grown catcher who people yearned to watch.
In the outfield, usually it is the offensive capability that reinforces what fans adore about a player. The earliest left fielder who generated this kind of fan appeal was Cleon Jones who in 1969 hit .340. He spent 12 years with the Mets and aside from his Spring Training incident, it was mostly an unscathed career during which he finished at .281 for the New Yorkers.
For center field there were a number of young players but none seemed to resonate with the hardcore fans than Lee Mazzilli. During his aggregate of a decade for the Mets he was beloved for his ability to play credible defense, steal bases with aplomb and get robbed of the All Star Game MVP award in his sole appearance as an NL representative.
Now as much as Michael Conforto was appreciated by the Mets fans, he paled in comparison to Darryl Strawberry who could hit for power, steal bases and play an awesome right field. Obviously his personal indulgences and violent tendencies derailed him from reaching Cooperstown, but for once the fans were proud to see someone in a Mets uniform who was as good as any other right fielder in the game.
For starting pitchers, the list of rookies who became part of Mets lore is a long one, starting with Hall of Famer, Tom Seaver, then Jerry Koosman, Gary Gentry, Doc Gooden, Jon Matlack, Noah Syndergaard and others. (I include Thor since he arrived to the Mets organization while still in the lower minors).
In the bullpen you had Tug McGraw, Jeff Innis, the first rendition of Jeurys Familia, Neil Allen and others. Seeing them preserve the lead and mow down batters with their game ending pitching arsenal made fans feel happy.
What is interesting to me is that the Mets farm system has seemingly fallen apart lately. Yes, they have traded away a large number of prospects in the attempt to get more veteran players to help them win, but even folks who put on a streak of a hot month or two like Tylor Megill did earlier this season often succumb to the realities of facing the best of the best in the batter's box. It's been a long time since the Mets had a potential All Star come up through their ranks and it should be one of the core components of any plan to restructure the team for the future.
14 comments:
Good proof that homegrown works.
Hope we leave the kids alone for next 2 years.
Lets not lose a draft pick because we signed someone with a QOer. Mack just how good are Maurcio, Baty, Alvarez, Vientos and Ginn and your timetable for the "show"? From what I'm seeing and hearing their all major league quality but would like your opinion now that their season's are over and if I missed any please fill in. Thanks.
Assets assets assets
Money and farms system
The only assets we have and what your list shows is we are one of the worse at handling assets
Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellman, in 2016 they helped save the season but I remember saying at the time we need them both to pitch well in one more game each. Had Thor been able to match bumgardener that year we could have played ina series where Lugo and gsellman may have pitched well enough (not to win but to sky rocket thier value)
We could have traded them for real talent
But we cannot evaluate our own talent to make smart decisions. Why can we not make the Braves trade where they traded a over hyped Shelby Miller and fleece Arizona
We never trade our free agent player who we won’t sign at the deadline
What if we traded wheeler or Stroman this year
Would we be better?
Man who ever is the next POBO better have some stones on him
For the pitching staff in 2022, starters like Walker and McGill, who have been gassed the whole 2nd half, from having pitched so few innings in 2020, should not have that problem in 2022.
They both looked terrific in the first half because they had stamina at that point, not because they were facing inferior hitters.
Gary
IMO... Vientos is ready for 2022, could start out at third, but then pushed to corner OF when Baty arrives in 2024.
Mauricio will be ready in 2023 but he is a pure shortstop so I don't see his future in Quuens
Ginn 2 years away.
Ginn I believe could be on the opening day 2023 roster. Why? He finished strong.
We've had some good guys over the years. We never had our Pujols, Griffey Jr, Trout super types though. Hopefully Alvarez is one of those.
Gary, every one leaves out Carlos Cortes. Too bad he played so little after July, or his #s might have been too glaring to overlook. Averaged an extra base hit every 7.5 times up, roughly. That's really something.
Great posts and comments. Right on track.
The problem with the Mets for more than just this current season was basically the starting pitching and sometimes too the bullpen. Hitting was normally adequate but the rotation very injury prone and not deep enough top end after Zachary Wheeler left town.
The 2022 NY Mets have to include a new (not ancient) top end starter. Snell would have been good, but he has had his share of injuries lately. I wouldn't go that way. ERod (Boston) samething. Both once really were very decent lefty starter, and the Mets could use one top end.
The trade possibilities for a really good No.2 lefty starter should begin to be made now.
One Opinion for the 2022 Starting Pitching Rotation
1. deGrom 2. New Acquisition via a trade 3. Syndergaard (a three starter here solely because his repaired arm has not been sufficiently tested yet) 4. Walker 5. Auditioning for the five slot would include guys like Tyler Megill, Drew Smith, Genryƫsai Shigekuni Yamamoto, Josh Walker, David Peterson, Thomas Szapucki (if possible injury wise), and Corey Oswalt.
I might include Carlos Carrasco in a trade package deal like Cleveland wisely did with us last off season. Lose Marcus Stroman, because he really isn't a top end starter record or strikeout wise although being a good guy. The Mets have other pitchers I think here already more qualified for a five slot. And FA Rich Hill I'd allow to leave. The future is the youth and the Mets need to learn to get more from within their own systems, and maybe better draft as well.
Q: Is going to a six man rotation a more valid idea now since the Mets lost two top end starters in 2021 due to injury and virtually had no way to make it to the playoffs because of it?
A: Absolutely.
Even one more days rest could be beneficial to this particular 2022 Mets rotation. It could conceivably help to keep the whole rotation intact an entire season long, for the first time since Noah's Ark.
These common Mets starting pitcher injuries are literally killing this teams chances to make it to the playoffs, season after season. If you ever played this game at all, and you had a pitcher "filling in" a game for your team's best starting pitcher who was injured, and this "fill-in" guy who barely ever pitched or had pitched but was quite challenged in so doing, then you know exactly what that undeniable letdown feels like. It changes attitudes of the field players and their hope of winning that game. It shouldn't with professional players, I agree. But they too are human. (With the single exception of Yoenis Cespedes, the android robot with calcifications.)
Here's a direction for the top end rotation perhaps.
Eric Lauer Padres. A lefty. Young. Doesn't eat a lot they say, cost savings right there!
SD has a very good starting rotation, but SF Giants or LA Doggers make the NL 2021 WS Dance.
White Sox in the AL it looks like. Look at their rotation. Woe.
I like this 24 year old kid Eric Lauer for here. He'd be an ideal starter type and like what I have been talking about.
The Field
Harping again.
1B Alonso / 2B Cano or Cortes / SS Reyes 2 / 3B Mauricio / LF JD Davis / CF Nimmo / RF New Acquisition or possibly Mangum if he's ready / C F. Alvarez, not much to lose here trying because this kid is amazing and it's his soon anyway.
Position To Be Filled via Trades:
RF, Lefty Two starter, two relievers. Bench and utility players the Mets have covered already. And then just two really qualified relievers more.
I have 2022's slogan.
"Refuse to Lose."
Have Steve or Jerry mail me a check.
Thank you, and have a nice day all.
Manager Idea
At first the older Mets fans may disagree. But after more thought, it actually makes some sound sense. Just not sure if he would want this position though.
Darryl Strawberry.
I like what I have seen from Darryl the past 20 years or so, and he knows this game and this organization quite well too.
Pitching was NOT the main problem. When you say "Hitting was normally adequate"I LOL because we were next to last in runs scored per game.
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