Normally at this time of the season the prospect of the subway series between both of New York's finest would be the predominating headline screaming out of every news article and on every broadcast.
In 2023, however, neither team is operating as planned, post season plans are not being made for October games and the question of buyer or seller for both the Mets and the Yankees seems to be taking center stage. While the Yankees are still north of the .500 mark, it's possible that their dreams of playoffs and beyond are not quite as desperate as those of the Mets. Still, the fans, management teams and media covering Queens and the Bronx are all in a stick a fork in 'em kind of mood when it comes to the games on the NL and AL diamonds being played.
For the Mets, the question seems to have shifted from will they be buyers or sellers to what level of sellers do they expect to be? Yes, the Mets are within a single digit trailing number when it comes to playoff baseball, but the fact is that they are performing far too erratically to bank on consistency for the final two months of the season. Consequently everyone is now expecting a selloff to take place, but no one is quite sure to what extent.
It is not that long ago in Mets history that a midseason trading gambit led to the quick dismissal of much of their roster during the 2017 season. First came the deal sending away former homegrown antihero Lucas Duda. Then came the out-of-town-ticket needed for reliever Addison Reed. They were soon joined by outfielder Jay Bruce, infielder Neil Walker, and in a post-deadline trade in August so too was Curtis Granderson sent to the west coast. That was five primary names gone from a team dismantling and hoping to grow in the future by loading up on minor league prospects, none of whom amounted to much of anything except (until this year) Drew Smith.
Fast forward a half dozen years and now it's entirely possible to see a similar exodus from the active roster that could include David Robertson, Tommy Pham, Mark Canha, Daniel Vogelbach, Carlos Carrasco and one of Max Scherzer or Justin Verlander. Given the history of the money-saving going-out-of-business-sale the Wilpons conducted, nothing much was gained other than a partial season reduction in payroll. This time around already the Mets have already dispatched Eduardo Escobar but in doing so paid down his salary which suggests that minor benefit won't happen with the 2023 Mets. (And as long as we're reminiscing, a year after that major trade away of established players the Mets did the same with Asdrubal Cabrera, too.)
So the question remains, who is going? How much will it cost to up the returns given in these trades? Will it have an impact on the future Mets teams? Will new-found vacancies on the roster open up playing time for current or recently residing-in-Syracuse Mets like Ronny Mauricio and Mark Vientos. No one is coming to the ballpark for the next Mark Canha or Daniel Vogelbach at-bat. Pitcher Carlos Carrasco has been far more bad than good. None of those three will generate much in return unless their salaries are paid in full. Robertson, Pham and the former Cy Young twins would all generate a ton of interest from contending teams, but neither Steve Cohen nor Billy Eppler are indicating that such movement is in the cards.
August 1st is on Tuesday next week. Who here can project which players will remain with the team and which have been shown the departure door? A lot of fear exists that a huge market for players is indicative of giving up for 2023, while others think it is time to think ahead to 2024 and beyond. Right now the do-nothing agenda of the front office is doing the club no favors either way.
8 comments:
Verlander was great and gave hope. Alonso, Lindor, and McNeil seem to be waking up…but the pen is paper thin. If I was Cohen, I’d go for it. It seems more plausible now to me that they could make a run. It is a game of momentum. If they whip theJudge-less Yanks today, then the next 7 are against the Natsand KC. They have gone 11-7, what if they win 6 of the next 8?
Other teams are faltering. But the pen is clearly inadequate. Other than Otto and Robertson, it was atrocious last night. Atrocious does not get one to the playoffs.
I am quite mad that both Vientos and Alvarez got hit on the hands by pitches in the 9th with 6 run lead. Drill someone’s ass today. MAKE ASTATEMENT.
Of all the names you mentioned, Tommy Pham has the greatest value to another team looking to bolster their playoff chances. Pham has hit very well over the last 2-3 months so he should bring some prospects.
I'm not sure I believe that any team is going to offer a reasonable package for aces 1 and 1a. Neither has pitched consistently well this season. Despite yesterday's stellar outing by Verlander, I would say the odds are 50/50 that after his next start he will give that familiar press briefing, "I have to be better". That has been the theme all year. Would you trade a boatload of prospects for that?
Trade all rentals. Keep the old aces and Raley. The end lol.
Paul, good points. If the Mets defeat the Yanks today, and see the next 7 against the Nats and KC, I could see them thinking there is a real turnaround shot here. Win today.
Tom yes but just when we look like a turnaround is possible we fall flat on our faces but this week and next we could with Pete and Jeff coming around get back into the race crazy as that sounds. Also agree make a statement Buck on those HBP NOW!
Bottom line they’re not very good and just as important they’re far behind several teams.
We never know what other teams are looking (and willing to pay) for, but a guy I can see the Mets able to do without who would have value in the market is Narvaez.
Good enough to have been signed through next year as the projected starter here, look beyond the #s and see which others teams are in serious need of a catcher (think the Bronx). Nido's awful start, largely due to eye problems, has seemingly been overcome, and he's up to .290 upstate. Especially with Alvarez rarely in need of a day off, Nido could easily fill the backup role, making Narvaez very expendable. He's the guy I'd look to move.
Bill, I am fine with moving Narvaez and using what seems to be a revived Nido, but only once I’m sure Alavarez’s hand is not injured.
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