David Rubin asks –
Q- Mets fans - if, on July 1st, the team remains far away
from a Wild Card and Division Title, do you:
a.) Trade DeGrom for a large package, including the Yankees
in the discussion (think Torres & Sheffield, for starters)?
b.) Trade Syndergaard for a large package, including the
Yankees in the discussion?
c.) Trade either DeGrom or Syndergaard to anyone BUT the
Yankees?
d.) Trade BOTH DeGrom and Syndergaard and blow it all up?
e.) Trade everyone on the major league roster that has any
value, other than Nimmo & Conforto and make this a total rebuild?
f.) Do Nothing radical, let the season finish, and get
prepared for the Wilponzi's to tell us they are big spenders as Wright's $15
mil is paid by insurance and our real payroll is between 17th and 20th in the
game?
g.) Other- tell us what YOU would do!!!
Jack Flynn says -
Michael Maar says –
You do not trade de
Grom for any reason.
You can entertain offers for Syndergaard, but it is
extremely unlikely a team will be willing to match his value. The underwhelming
return for Kelvim Herrera is yet another indication that prospects, if
anything, are overvalued at this point. There are no other untouchable pitchers
on the Mets' roster. The only untouchable position players should be Conforto,
Nimmo and Rosario.
Michael Maar says –
Probably the safest
course for the Mets to take at this point would be to trade deGrom, assuming a
huge haul in return. Major-league ready
talent is a must, with at least 2 or 3 top-50 prospects. I would include the Yankees in that, but the
price is much higher for them. Yes, I'd
want Torres in the deal, plus Frazier.
I'd consider other packages from them excluding Torres, but then the
numbers would be on the order of 4 top prospects.
However, I'm letting my
heart win out on this, and am saying keep deGrom and Thor. I think Jake has some staying power as a top
SP into his mid 30's, and he'll still be good when the Mets make another
run. Here's where my head's at right
now..
- Conforto, Nimmo and
Rosario are the core position players and are untouchable at this point. All other position players are in play for
smaller deals that restock the system.
- Trade Familia to a contender at the
deadline, looking for a single top prospect, preferably a Catcher or 3B in
return. We can look at the closer market
in the offseason, with Familia as a possibility as a FA. We can also consider moving on with Gsellman
as the closer.
- Listen to offers for one of either Wheeler,
Matz or Lugo at the deadline. The return
would need to be pretty good and MLB ready - again looking for talent at C, 3B
and possibly 2B. If they can fill a need
at a starting position with a MLB-ready young player, I'd consider dealing one
of these arms.
- Pray that Bruce has a mini-resurgence to
allow him to be traded at the deadline.
Just clear as much of the contract a possible. Going forward, Conforto and Nimmo need to be
locks for everyday starting OF jobs.
Unfortunately, Cespedes owns a lock on LF (if he ever plays) for the
next 2 years.
- Offseason.. pipe dream, but they need to
stop spending millions by spreading it around to a bunch of mediocre players,
and go hard after Manny Machado. If they
were to land him, a rebound to contention could be as close as next year,
assuming progress on some of the other moves mentioned above. Frazier's here one more year and can either
play fill-in at 1B/3B/LF. If Machado
insists on playing SS, then let him and move Rosario to 3B.
Reese says –
e. When something
doesn't work, you try something else.
All of the years on building around pitching with nothing but home run
hitters has resulted in two positives and six negatives. I think that's clearly long enough to say
it's time to explore a different approach.
In the case of deGrom you're at the ultimate "sell high"
period of his career -- still young enough to be considered HIGHLY atttactive to
29 other teams yet you stand to lose him in a couple of years anyway since the
Wilpons won't give him a Johan Santana type of contract. It's better to cash that chip now that lose
it for the next Kevin Plawecki in compensation.
In terms of Noah Syndergaard, yes he is much younger and set
to be with the organization longer.
However, he has demonstrated some health and character issues that
suggest he could be a headache moving forward.
In his case you need him back and pitching like he's capable of doing
before you can begin to entertain fair value for him.
Let's say each nets you 3 prospects (total of 6), 4 of whom had better
work out. So, in effect, you've given up
2 to gain 4. You have to do that. As it stands right now the Mets have no long
term answer at 2B or 3B, Amed Rosario is a work
in progress, no catcher, no health reliability in Yoenis
Cespedes and the poster child for the all-or-nothing over-30 veteran in Jay Bruce.
Mike Friere says -
I think the team is out of contention now and I don't need to wait to start the "rebuild", but I have been accused of being a bit impetuous in the past. With that said, here are my responses:
Erica says –
I think the team is out of contention now and I don't need to wait to start the "rebuild", but I have been accused of being a bit impetuous in the past. With that said, here are my responses:
a. It depends on the return, but I would not
consider anyone on the current roster as untouchable, including Jake. It would hurt dealing him across town, but if
the return were good enough, I would do it.
b, c and d. Dealing both Jake and Noah would be hard, but
again, doable if the return were high enough.
My gut tells me that Noah would bring the bigger return due to his age
and years of control but I don't see Sandy dealing both of them to the Yankees,
nor do I see Brian Cashman giving up what it would take to get both. They may go in separate deals to different
teams, but I think one gets dealt and one stays put (probably the one more
amenable to an extension).
e. As stated in the first item, the team is NOT
a contender so steps should be taken to get back to that point. Deal anything of value in the short term for
pieces that will be there when you are ready to compete again (2020, 2021
range).
f. Sadly, what will likely happen.....the real
change needed is in the owner's booth.
g. Total "do over"......new owners,
new upper level management and a commitment to building a winner. I can tolerate a few years of losing if it
means we will be stronger at the other end (fingers crossed).
Erica says –
Good pitching is hard to find. And finding a true ace is almost
impossible (especially if your owners are not willing to put up significant
cash). We have one ace (deGrom) and a close second (Syndergaard). These are
guys that will be incredibly difficult to replace.
Based on runs scored, our offense ranked 17th in 2015 and we
made it to the World Series. For reference, our offense ranked 18th in 2017 and
we were abysmal. The difference between these two years was the strength of our
pitching.
I’d be open to trading either or both, but ONLY if we
received a truly franchise changing package back. I don’t care who that package
comes from. If the best return was from the Yankees, that’d be fine by me. But
I wouldn’t trade either of these guys (especially Jake) for anything less than
an organization’s top 3 prospects with 2 additional impact prospects included
for good measure. Jake is under team control for two years after 2018 and Noah
is under team control for three additional years. The return would have to be
astronomical for me to part with either. And I’m not sure that’s very likely.
Tom says –
a) I would be OK with
Jake to the Yanks - but I want Torres + more ...the Yanks fans don't like to
lose their treasures, and they now treasure Gleyber Torres, so I don't see
it. I don't want less for Jake.
b) ditto on
Syndergaard, although right now, I do not think the Yanks would consider Torres
for him at all
c) best package for
either Jake or Thor - any package must elicit a GREAT! WOW from Mets fans, or
forget it.
d) Only if the hauls
are enormous would I trade both Jake and Thor - the Mets, as Texas Gus
indicated the other day, inspire very little confidence in an ability to
execute a total rebuild like Atlanta, Houston, and the Yanks have
e) Nimmo has done very
well and deserves to stay, but is not untouchable and has real value, perhaps
more than his real long term value should be.
Conforto's value has to be down and thus is not worth trading
"low". Everyone else? Great deals and we'll listen.
f) I look forward to
David Wright pinch hitting and retiring - this organization has to figure out
how to draft and sign Internationals better, or it will always be behind the 8-ball
g) Call up Tim Tebow in
September, ready or not!
Mack –
You
all know I want to blow this up, but an alternative version of G would be:
Sign BOTH Syndergaard and deGrom through the 2023 season.
This would give the Mets the best of what they can offer in the future plus
give them ample time to build a new rotation.
Lugo and Matz would be my SP3 and
SP4. Oswalt my SP5.
My bullpen would be Bashlor,
Gsellman, Peterson, Sewald, Swarsak, Bautista, and Drew Smith.
My infield would be Alonso, McNeil,
Rosario and Flores, with Guillorme and Christian Colon as my backups.
My catchers would be Plawecki and
Nido.
My outfield would be Conforto,
Nimmo, and Cespedes, with RF/1B Dom Smith and Kaczmarski as my backups.
I
really don’t care about the rest of the guys on the 40-man. And I have no faith
in Sandy trading any of them for anyone decent. The more money I can clear off
the payroll is the more money I will have for the one ‘chip’ I need to continue
my three year rebuild.
Sign 3B Manny Machado to a 5-6 year
deal and a new catcher.
Lastly,
do not send any chips from Binghamton to the cesspool we call Las Vegas,
Let
Crismatt, Dunn, Bashlor, Ryan, Roseboom, Blackham, Uceta, and Mazieka stay in
upstate New York. Eventually, have Gimenez, Dimino, Zanghi, Atkins, Pobereyko,
Gonzalez, and Peterson join them if and when they are ready. Build for an
invasion of both Queens and Syracuse in 2019
2 comments:
How did I miss this one...
I am a little torn... I would trade anyone on this roster for a great haul... Thor, Conforto, Rosario etc...
Jake is the only hesitation. One the one hand he is the face of the organization. Our only true star. on the other he would and should return the most value...
If I believe we have a shot at a new nucleus with Peterson, Dunn and others on the rise. But they would not lead like say Harvey did when he came up so I believe Degrom should be around to lead and usher their assent.
Eddie, I am not at all confident Peterson, Dunn, Crismatt anywhere near Jake long term. They could easily become the next Matz and Wheeler...average MLB starters.
Jake = Seaver. Weavers are very rare.
Mack, Plawecki, Nido, Guillorme and Colon collectively is way too much non-hitting for me. Short term, to get a high draft slot, OK. Otherwise,it is non-competitive.
Erica states an important point: 2017 and 2018 pitching has been bad to weak. You better be real confident that pitchers in your system are tomorrow's WINNERS, ability-wise...or it could get REALLY ugly in Queens.
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