Are the Mets buyers? Sellers? Standing pat? Contrary to what many of the pundits have written about the
Mets and their likely trading scenarios during this July non-waiver deadline,
I'm beginning to think that there actually may be room for making a change in
the rotation. Right now between Jon Niese, Dillon Gee and the Tommy John Club,
the pitching situation seems somewhat bleak, but let's look at where we are right now:
Bartolo Colon
The big man is living up to his contract. He's not pitched at the same level as Jon
Niese or Dillon Gee, but he has remained healthy and for someone with his body
of work he's more than fairly priced.
For those reasons a lot of folks would have the Mets trade him for likely
a prospect as he still has nearly $15 million due for the balance of this year
and guaranteed for next year. For that
reason, he's not likely going to net proven talent in return.
Jon Niese
He's hurt again. That
means he's off the table even if the club was foolish enough to consider moving
him in the right deal given his stellar performance this year and his very
friendly contract. More importantly,
he's leaving a big hole in the rotation that likely will be filled by Gee's
return. However, that merely returns you
to the status quo. If you had bundled off
Colon in a trade, you'd have another hole to fill.
Dillon Gee
Just coming back from injury greatly diminishes the value he
would have netted in trade had he not just missed about a month. He and Colon will be asked to lead the
rotation as the one and two starters.
Zack Wheeler
The growing pains are there, of course, but young,
hard-throwing and (for this club) cost-controlled pitchers are extremely
valuable. I can't see him going
anywhere.
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Now here's an interesting case. He's probably a tertiary level consideration
for other clubs looking for pitching but he's done well enough in that 4/5 role
in the rotation that he too could net a prospect (albeit a low level one).
Jacob de Grom
He's come from out of nowhere to make a pretty strong first
impression that he might have a future in the rotation, too. So next year will be complicated with too
many bodies for too few slots but for now he needs to stay in the rotation
mix.
Noah Syndergaard
Wheeler probably has more value since he's pitched in the
majors already while Thor has had some struggles in AAA. Assuming they want to see what he's capable
of doing out of the pitching hell of Las Vegas, he'll be in that 2015 mix, too.
Darin Gorski
He's the Wilmer Flores of Mets pitching prospects -- goes
out, puts up great numbers but doesn't get a chance. Since he's not a power arm (and not getting
any younger), I don't see that he has much future here.
Rafael Montero
He struggled mightily in his first taste of big league action,
though how much was mental and how much was physical is debatable as he went on
the DL shortly after his ignominious debut.
His control keeps him in the mix and he's soared through the minor
league system, so I would expect once healthy he will again be part of the
future.
John Lannan
Although he failed miserably in his unaccustomed bullpen role,
he was a perfectly cromulent starter for the Nationals. If he's back in pitching condition, he might
be the one who gets the call should the Mets trade away a current starter.
In addition to the rehabbing Matt Harvey and Jeremy Hefner,
remember the guy who used to close for the Mets? It's an interesting scenario evolving in the
2015 bullpen with Jenrry Mejia, Bobby Parnell and Jeurys Familia developing into
a three-headed late inning threat. I
can't see them affording to trade any of them until Parnell shows he is
healthy.
Now if I was playing GM I would be honest and confirm this
season is a lost cause. Towards that end
I'd play seller and see what I could get for Bartolo Colon and/or Dice-K,
inserting Darin Gorski or John Lannan in the rotation to fill the vacancy. When Niese comes back, someone else has to go
-- Gorski or Lannan. Consequently the "risk" is of the 2 week to 1 month variety (depending on how long Niese is out). It's not the remainder of the season.
I would also trade Daniel Murphy, not because the
organization is too cheap to pay him (though that is debatable), but because it
simply makes good business sense to do so given his All-Star selection and
consistent level of play. Unlike the
pitchers, there's not as much a risk as you have multiple decent options behind
him -- Wilmer Flores, Eric Young, Eric Campbell, Matt Reynolds and eventually
Dilson Herrera. The pitching options
behind Colon and Dice-K are probably the equivalent of giving ABs to Omar
Quintanilla -- they won't embarrass you but they won't help much, either.
I'd also try to palm off Bobby Abreu, Kirk Nieuwenhuis and
Eric Young. Obviously Chris Young needs
to go but you'd likely have to eat nearly all of his salary to get someone to
bite.
Of course, until they solve the problems of left field, shortstop
(sorry, but a .240 hitter with no power and no speed isn't what you use as a
foundation for the future), and get some of the other underperformers playing
up to their capabilities, they're going to tread water or go backwards. That ought to earn Terry Collins another 2
years since accountability is apparently much less important than toeing the company
line. 2017, anyone?
9 comments:
I say for the most part, stand pat. Trade Colon for decent return and salary relief in 2015; Dice K might even fetch something given the scarcity and need for veteran pitching. I think Murphy stays because SA/TC need his bat for the rest of the year to avoid the cellar. all of the others you mentioned need a bit more evaluation and have depressed trade value because of injury or perceived lack of success. They probably have a better chance of upgrading in the off season and I would make LF my first priority. by standing pat, you hold all crown jewels for off season, with Harvey, Parnell and Hefner coming back
Weird, Reese - I just went to see the Loving Spoonful at Jones Beach (with the Beach Boys headlining and the Young Rascals...so to use the title of another Spoonful song, "Do You Believe in Magic?" That is something that Sandy has to watch like a hawk - because let's say they sweep the next two...the hitters collectively are hitting a lot better...could this team get rolling? If so, it changes everything as to who they keep or deal out/in. On the other hand, lost the next two and it is a lot different picture.
Well, the much ballyhooed plan seems to be cut costs and hope for the best. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose (Goodtime Charlie's got the blues). Sorry, on a music reference roll lately...
I think you need to define what it is you want to do and not let a few games in the win or loss column in July dictate the future of the organization. It's sound business to trade away a starting pitcher and Daniel Murphy.
100% agree with you Reese on trading Murph (after All Star game) and a starter.
I'd like to see Colon out and Flores at 2B for Murph if they get quality for him. I think the Mets probably will think the same, especially if they fail to go on a long win streak this week. If they do go on a streak and re-enter the race quickly, it could alter the plans. But that sort of streak remains iffy at best.
The problem with your scenario, Thomas, is the guy with the lineup pencil's infatuation with Eric Young, Jr. and Flores likely winding up buried on the bench again after his first 0-4.
Re. trading Murphy: What are the odds of getting back something => Murph? Not saying Murph is untouchable, but TARGET somebody (any ideas?) and see what it takes. I just don’t think you’ll land a BIG fish at the trading deadline with Murph.
There are those I would dump for high-ceiling, A/AA offensive prospect, and some for just a lottery ticket.
I hate to be harsh, but I just don't understand why either of the Youngs are 1) still on the team and 2) still being played, They represent everything that is 'meh' about this team.
Hobie, I think you are underestimating Murph's value. I'm sure with the right amount of negotiation that he can get you a front line shortstop or LFer
I would trade them all!!! Put Murphy in a trade with either Gee or Niese. So you can get a better return. Then trade the rest of them Abreau, dice k, colon, EY jr, for whatever u can get.
Build up your farm system some more then offer the Rockies Wheeler, Nimo, Cecchini, Herrera and Ynoa for Tulowitzski.
I don't want to see the Mets dump Murphy. However if they can find contenders in need of a bat and a 2nd baseman they might be able to get a very good return. A good match here might be the Cardinals because they can include Colon. The Cardinals have had a couple of there young pitchers go down. Colon could be a valuable piece for them to fill in until they come back. Much like he has been for Harvey. Many of the contenders needing a 2nd baseman also need pitching.
With the Cardinals I could see AAA outfielder Stephen Piscotty and High A LHSP Rob Kaminsky as good targets for the Mets. I would also want another one of the top 10 prospects.
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