5/21/19

Mack – What Would A Full Rebuild Be Like?





Good morning.


I decided to have a little fun (in a non-fun season) and try to determine what players would be involved if the Mets went full tilt boogie Marlins style.

There is no way knowing what we would get for any of the players we DFA’d. It might be no one. But it would clear the roster for a completely new direction with a target around 2021-2022.

First, who do we keep either out of necessity or the fact that their current contract or injury status prevent them from moving:

SP   Jacob deGrom  - like it or not, we are building our team around this guy… at least until the end of the 2023 season.

2B – Robinson Cano – a real dead contract. $24mil through 2023. You might be able to find a team that would take on a share of this contract (because, as of today, he still has good legs), but (for now in this post), for now, on this team, Cano is a dead man walking.

C – Wilson Ramos - $9.5mil through 2020 – the thing that Ramos has going for him is the fact that the Mets have no one in the pipeline ready to step up behind the plate


Now… the ones exiting:

             OF Yoenes Cespedes  -  100% repayment to Mets from insurance company for his 'non-baseball related broken ankle'.

            IF Todd Frazier – remainder of 2019 $8.5mil contract

            SP Jason Vargas – remainder of 2019 $8mil contract.

            CF Juan Lagares – remainder of 2019 $9mil contract

IF Jed Lowrie  - $10mil through 2020… Jed, we hardly knew ye…

RP Jeurys Familia - $10mil/yr. through 2021

RP Justin Wilson – remainder of 2019 $5mil contract and 2020 second year ($5mil) as well.

SP Zack Wheeler – trade the remainder of his $5.975mil 2019 contract

RP Luis Avilan – remainder of his $1.6mil 2019 contract

I have no idea who the Mets would get in return for any of these players. Familia would probably bring you a chip while a Wheeler trade to a pennant contender could bring two.

Still, I can’t set up a re-boot based on players I don’t have under contract. I have to use those I listed above and fill in with, at least, 21 more players that could run on the field NOW.

So… who remains?

      SP Noah Syndergaard – FA in 2022
      SP Steven Matz – FA in 2022
      OF Michael Conforto – FA in 2022
      OF Brandon Nimmo – FA in 2023
      CL Edwin Diaz – FA in 2023
      RP Seth Lugo – FA in 2023
      RP Robert Gssellman – FA in 2023
      SS Amed Rosario – FA in 2024
      OF Jeff McNeil – FA beyond 2025
      3B J.D. Davis – FA beyond 2025
      1B Pete Alonso – FA beyond 2025
      1B/PH Dominic Smith – FA beyond 2025


We now have 15 quality capable players we can run out to the field, consisting of:

            3 starters (Jake, Thor, Matz)
            3 relievers (Lugo, Gsellman, Diaz)
            4 infielders (1B Alonso, 2B Cano, SS Rosario, 3B Davis)
            3 outfielders (Conforto, Nimmo, McNeil)
            1 catcher (Ramos)
            1 utility (Dom Smith – I want this guy but I need him to do more than PH and fill in at first. I’m going to come uo with some way to send him back to Extended Camp to get OJT on playing the corner outfield positions)


We still need:

      2 more starters
      4 more relievers
      1 backup catcher
      3 more IF/OF utility players (Smith already being one)

Now what? Well, I’m going to fill in with what is ready in AAA-Syracuse, but I’m going to rely heavily on the talent I am developing at AA-Binghamton. Other teams are doing this and, may I say, they are very successful at it.


So my choices, for the remainder of 2019 are:

      SP – Anthony Kay, David Peterson

      RP – Stephen Villines, Ryley Gilliam, Stephen Nogosek,
            Joseph Zanghi

      C -  I’ll stay with Tomas Nido through 2019

      UT-OF – I’ll stay with Carlos Gomez

      UT-IF – Luis Guillorme, Dilson Herrera

Sure, the ride would be bumpy for the rest of the season, but these kids would now know that they are the future of this team.

In the wings for 2020 –

      SP Tony Dibrell  RP Adonis Uceta  RP Andrew Mitchell
 RP Drew Smith  SS Andres Gimenez  C-1B Patrick Mazeika

This is with no new chips from the players DFA’s or anyone signed in the off season.

Not the best team… but if the Mets can redirect their emphasis on quality chips, both domestically through the draft, but internationally as well… this whole mess may have a way of working itself out.

The least… we should have a team that can prevent a sweep in Miami.

9 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

Mack, it is so hard to project a rebuild, because it seems every other day, someone gets hurt.

This time, besides La Absencia Cespedes, the patron saint of extended absences, the invaluable Seth Lugo goes on the 10-day injured list due to right biceps tendinitis. Sometimes, with the Mets, 10 days is just a starting point.

I am thrilled with Kay and Gilliam. Kay's rise could lead to Wheeler's departure at mid season. Gilliam could soon give us a tough pen arm that the Mets desperately need.

Familia could go too - even Jed Lowrie, if he returns healthy and productive.

Anyone want Matz?

I would like to see Smith learn the outfield more - trade value of 1st basemen is often lower than for other positions, so someone who can play both 1B and the OF could increase his value. Dom is lighter, and playing well, but I am not sure whether lighter made him any quicker.

Mack Ade said...

Tom -

Just my thoughts to prove the org.is weak.

Mike Freire said...

Interesting, Mack.

I think it shows that things were pretty rough under Sandy's tenure and that "gift" will keep on giving for a while.

The hard part is that the Mets have been in purgatory for a long time, caught between trying to stay competitive and needing a rebuild. It manifested itself in a bevy of poor veteran contracts and mediocre on field results.

The powerhouse Astros suffered through a rebuild the "right way" and are now stacked for the foreseeable future.

I can't see the Mets following the same path.

Tom Brennan said...

Mike, the Mets have the more successful Yanks in town - if they weren't here, they might do the blow up and rebuild - but competing for hometown fans, they really can't. Because they might be a lot less successful than the Astros at doing it.

Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands more new Yank fans would be birthed.

They need to at least partially compete with the Yanks.

Tom Brennan said...

Mack you're right - this team's talent is like thin ice on a pond - it doesn't take much to make it crack open.

Mack Ade said...

Tom/Mike

This next International and domestic draft is going to say a lot for the future of this team.

We hired all this expensive analytics suits to handle this process.

Things will turn around in 3 years if you draft the right players... and NOT trade them as they mellow.

(BTW - the word I'm getting is the Mets are DEFINITELY going college pitcher with the first pick)

I will wrap up my pre-draft posts on June 2nd with my last mock average, and my thoughts going into Draft Night)

Tom Brennan said...

If they are going college pitcher with the first pick, that must mean they are relying on Tim Tebow to give this franchise the jolt it needs for the next decade!

Kidding aside, that's OK with me as long as the Mets go with power in their second pick. Alonso was # 64 overall - I think it is safe to say they are happy with that pick.

To use an old Terry Collins cliche, Alonso has "Power Supreme." And how.

Mack Ade said...

Tom -

There is a tremendous amount of power in this draft and there will be multiple names to pick from in both the second and third round.

Eddie from Corona said...

man I hate these post when i cant comment the day of....
this is where Macks site is the best of all....

A full rebuild when we traded Kelenic ? man I would lose my marbles...

It doesnt matter who is at the helm... BVW now... I always seem to hate the Mets Moves... Shopping at walmart thinking instead of on fifth avenue...

Diaz (and he would have to be s top 2 closer for the lenght of his Mets Career) still does not justify getting cano and his current salary we are paying at 36, and losing Kelenic should have been a deal breaker... Period...

When will we ever make the Chapman deal and we come back with the Torres? heck Thor wasnt the centerpiece of that deal and he hasnt lived up to the expectations...

I am all for a full and i mean full rebuild because we will never purchase in free agency the right pieces we need to get over the top...