THE SUNDAY SCOOP by Tom
Brennan
DUDA UPDATE: In the spring,
I saw Duda as the better pure hitter than Ike.
I saw Lucas as a guy who would offensively benefit from getting out of left field,
with steady play at 1B, and being on a platoon basis to avoid average-sagging lefties.
I felt he also just needed
to get more aggressive early in counts to unleash the inner beast. The
stats bore that out, and the stats don’t lie.
Awesome when his at bats end with 0 or 1 strike, terrible when he gets
to 2 strikes. Just don’t go there.
Back in June, I wrote “Duda (thru June 16) had been to the
plate 230 times. When his at bat ends on the first pitch or on 1-0, he is
amazing, frankly: 15 for 31 (.484), 3 doubles, 5 HR, and 12 RBIs. Sweet.
The trouble is, that is only about 13% of his at bats. The other
87%? Around .200…not so sweet.”
Let’s roll that forward
to the end of July – Lucas has now been to the plate 374 times, and since then
has raised that very low mid-June 13% rate to nearly 16%, so since that point in June, he has basically
raised his rate from 13% to 19% - much better. What does he do in those counts
YTD? I THOUGHT you’d want to know –
still awesome: 25 for 58, with 8 HRs and 22 RBIs. It works for him. BECAUSE HE’S REALLY A DARNED GOOD HITTER
– when he swings in favorable counts. Which he’s doing a lot more now.
In fact, when his at
bats end when he has gotten to 2 strikes, still pretty ugly: .170/.279/.301 in
204 plate appearances, with just 16 RBIs.
The good news: he really gets it now, he’s addressed it, and the league
is in (big?) trouble because of it.
I also noticed when I
attended a game this past week, I saw a relaxed and quietly confident
guy. No longer insecure. As I
watched him taking a lead off 1B next to Ryan Howard, another giant of a man, it
started me thinking: could we have a Boog Powell or even a Ryan Howard circa
2008 on our hands soon? Let’s hope so, and may Lucas carry this team to
places only Sandy expected it to go.
UPDATE: MINOR LEAGUERS FROM DEEP DOWN UNDER SEGMENT:
UPDATE: MINOR LEAGUERS FROM DEEP DOWN UNDER SEGMENT:
The lower minor leagues' teams
(Brooklyn, the Mets’ Short Season A ball team, and rookie teams Kingsport and
the Gulf Coast Mets) will have each played 40 to 50 games by the time you read
this.
A few weeks ago, when I first evaluated those 3 teams to come up with a 20 top prospects list, I weighted players' draft and international signing levels in making my decisions, and also considered what was then a very limited window of season-to-date performance glimpses, as they only started playing in mid-June. In those few games, a player could have been briefly hot to start his season and made the list. And in a case like top draft pick Michael Conforto, he hadn't even played a game yet a few weeks back.
But those players’ performance track records since then have lengthened. And their respective performances impact whether guys drop from my initial mid-July Top 20 list or deservedly get added to the list.
A few weeks ago, when I first evaluated those 3 teams to come up with a 20 top prospects list, I weighted players' draft and international signing levels in making my decisions, and also considered what was then a very limited window of season-to-date performance glimpses, as they only started playing in mid-June. In those few games, a player could have been briefly hot to start his season and made the list. And in a case like top draft pick Michael Conforto, he hadn't even played a game yet a few weeks back.
But those players’ performance track records since then have lengthened. And their respective performances impact whether guys drop from my initial mid-July Top 20 list or deservedly get added to the list.
Performance may not be a true
indicator of presence on the list, as Mack so astutely pointed out
recently. Maybe teams are asking a guy
not to play using his very best assets, like a superior fastball as much, but
perhaps having him throw more curve balls in games to develop it, or a hitter
is trying out a changed stance or is instructed to learn to hit more balls the
other way. Those sorts of things to address weaknesses can hurt players’
short-term performance, but result in them being better prepared for the
higher, more difficult baseball levels that lie further ahead.
Also, some guys in Brooklyn
could be 24 already vs. other guys being just 18, and the 24 year old had
better perform better – expectations are higher. That said, I will focus
significantly on performance in these updated ratings.
I used an A-B-C rating for the listed players (essentially A = best; B = close to A; C = the remaining best before all the rest). I started two weeks ago with 5 A’s, 5 B’s, and 10 C’s, but there is no science to those quantities – 20 A’s would be awesome. May the A group grow ever larger.
I used an A-B-C rating for the listed players (essentially A = best; B = close to A; C = the remaining best before all the rest). I started two weeks ago with 5 A’s, 5 B’s, and 10 C’s, but there is no science to those quantities – 20 A’s would be awesome. May the A group grow ever larger.
Based on the last few weeks' performance, I may bump a red hot hitter from a C up to a B or A. Conforto, due to his having not played, was rated a B last time I wrote about these guys, with full expectation that once he played, he'd bump up to an A rating quickly. He has done as anticipated - extremely well, .409 through Wednesday - and so he has been bumped to an A, a perch he’s unlikely to descend from. Ever!
Wuilmer Becerra was hitting
a low power .226 through July 12, right around the time of my rankings. I
wanted more. He obliged. In fact, the 3rd cog in the
Dickey trade exploded since, to the tune of 25 for 59 (.424) with 4 doubles and
4 HRs, so he jumps from not even being on the original list to an
A. High performance seems to be catching up to his high projected ceiling.
Collectively, I want to
add, these A, B, and C players are doing most of the heavy lifting that has
these teams at around .500 (61-59) combined through Wednesday’s games. One thing missing from these lists so far is
a big homer bat – I am looking for volunteers from these 3 teams (Conforto?
Becerra?) to be the long ball guy everyone talks about.
So, here are my:
So, here are my:
UPDATED
LIST OF TOP 20 GREATS
I've gone from 5
"A" guys to 8, a very positive development:
A
TEAM
1. Marcos Molina - Bklyn - pitching great. Hits 96. What’s not to like.
2. Michael Conforto - Bklyn - resident hitting machine. Fuggedabotit.
3. Corey Oswalt - Bklyn - still tossing strong.
4. Blake Taylor - Kingsport - a little hiccup in one start after his promo from GCL, but this Ike Booty looks like treasure.
5. Jhoan Urena - Bklyn - still stroking hits with authority. Nice.
6. Wuilmer Becerra - Kingsport - the man that I proclaim to be the “human cyborg” for his unearthly recent hot streak has had hits flying off his bat since mid-July.
7. Eudor Garcia - Kingsport - hits, period. Oh, did I add he hits?
8. Martirez Arias - Kingsport - awesome pitching stats; check the Macks Mets main web page sidebar to see for yourself.
B
TEAM
9. Michael Katz - Bklyn -
was starting to slump a bit and K more. Let's leave him as a B for now.
10. Kelly Seacrest - Bklyn -
20 Ks in 13 innings - sweet. Strikeout pitchers preserve bats and balls from
contact and thus help protect the environment.
11. Brad Wieck - Bklyn -
running neck-and-neck with his teammate Ryan..err..Kelly Seacrest. Two bullpen
stalwarts.
12. John Mora - GC Mets - he
slumped from .400 two weeks ago to .316, but I can't argue with John .316, so
he remains a B this week.
C TEAM
13. Oswald Caraballo -
Kingsport - slumped off the pace of 2 weeks ago, but still hitting.
14. Luis Guillorme -
Kingsport – young glove man has 10 errors and bat also cooled, so we'll see if
he remains a C going forward.
15. Adrian Almeida -
GC Mets - high Ks, but also high BBs. Will his control improve?
Needs to in order to stay on the list.
16. Luis Ortega - Kingsport -
he was lethally hot 2 weeks back and cooled a lot since. We want another
hot streak, Luis. The eyes of NY are
upon you.
17. David Roseboom -
Kingsport (I could not choose between David and Ty Williams - Kingsport, both
of whom have been strong in relief. So I went alphabetically this week in
nabbing David, but if Ty outshines David next week, it will be his turn to
shine).
18. Dash Winningham - showing
signs that a hitting spurt is coming, as he is up to .238, so Dash remains on
the list for another week. I wonder if his real first name is Wilmer…that would
have a nice ring, and we need many Wilmers.
19. Kevin Canelon - GC Mets -
pitching really well in relief so far. New to the list, he is chucking nicely, as
noted below.
20.
Arnaldo Berrios - GC Mets - hitting really
well in somewhat limited at bats. Every top 20 list needs a guy named
Arnaldo – that name has such a nice ring to it. Ar-NAL-do! An announcer’s
dream.
TOP 20 ADDITIONS SINCE MY
FIRST (JULY 13-16) RANKING:
· Wuilmer Becerra, from off the list entirely
two weeks ago to an “A”, for reasons noted above.
· Kevin Canelon, who’s tossing some excellent
relief in the GCL (8 games, 15 innings, 8 hits, 17 Ks, 2 earned runs).
· David Roseboom (1.98, 14 innings, 12 hits,
15 Ks) replacing Ty Badamo, who has pitched well, but just not quite as well as
David.
· Arnaldo Berrios, as explained heretofore.
TOP 20 LIST DELETIONS OF
NOTE:
Ty Badamo, still pitching well, as noted above, but bumped because some comrades in arms are smoking hot and bumped him, and Brandon Brosher, who looked like he might be the top power hitter out of these 3 teams after homering in 4 straight dingers in June but is out indefinitely with a torn ACL. I was torn, too, to have to take him off.
GUYS WHO UPGRADED SINCE MY
MID JULY RANKING:
Eudor Garcia, our 2014 3rd
round selection - from B to A. Mr. Garcia
started slowly with a .250/.354/.321 slash when I first ranked him. Now,
the Kingsport 3B is up to .301/.360/.372. They say he can rake, and the
rake is starting to scoop up hits. I
only like raking when it involves Mets’ hitters. And Martirez Arias? Like I said above, some sweet pitching so far
from Mr. Arias.
OTHER GUYS NOT ON THE TOP
20 LIST BUT GETTING CLOSE:
· Milton Ramos, a 4th round pick in 2014,
struggled out of the pro starting gate to the tune of 3 for 26 in June.
In July, the tide is turning as he was 15 for 60 with 13 RBIs at last
look. So he’s gotten closer to making the list, but being just barely
over .200 for the season keeps him off it for now.
· Octavio
Acosta is tossing at Brooklyn as well stat-wise as Corey Oswalt – I’d like to
see the 24 year old (today – happy birthday) run at a high rate for a bit more
to show he belongs on the Top 20 list. Older guys competing against
younger dudes need to outshine to make the list.
· Emmanuel Zabala - GC Mets
- he's hitting .307 in 32 games and saying, "what about me?" He’s on
the cusp of getting on the list.
So, appreciate your
thoughts.
Keep watching the sidebar for
updated progress….and...
Have a GREAT day!
25 comments:
And to answer my call for a homer hitter, Conforto post-edition goes deep yesterday. And Molina remains magnificent with a terrific start. Very cool.
Amed Rosario?
Where's Rosario?
Other than that it looks like the 'next wave' is going to be great.
MEA CULPA!
Amed is absolutely on the A list. My faux pas. Not sure how I forgot to include him. Thanks for pointing that out. He's doing great in Brooklyn and he's just 18.
Yes, the next wave is gonna be great. The wave above it (Savannah through Vegas) has plenty of gems too, as Steve Guilbert recently wrote about. Both groups (high and low minors top tier) are in the right sidebar on this page.
I know you are talking Rookie league, but one level up has seen nice progress with Champ Stuart hitting and walking enough for steal opps. If he hits and OBP enough his speed and defense is something the Mets lack on any level
I wish yesterday was Conforto's swan song in Brooklyn. ..........time to head to Savannah. .. no offense to the players currently manning the gnats outfield, but Conforto is without a doubt an upgrade immediately out there, and should help them try and win a championship.
Newsday had a great Top 10 minors list today - Thor, Nimmo, Plaweck1, Herrera, Smith, Montero, Matz, Morris, Bowman, and Conforto, in that order, Half page on Reynolds, who must be #11, and 2 pages on local boy Steve Matz, talking about the great curve he is developing. Super exciting stuff
Some pf your "evaluations are mind boggling. Martires Arias is 25 years ols and in rookie ball. Secrest is 24. Dash Winningham over Milton Ramos and Emmanuel Zabala? So you just go off of stats? List is sloppy to say the least.
It's nice to see "high gain" Prospects at the A+ and AA levels, especially.
The impact of those players will should be felt almost immediately, and through the next three years---both on the MLB Roster, and as Trade pieces.
My optimism is tempered by this Front Office and Ownership--I believe it lacks talent, not to mention direction, decisiveness and Financial Resources.
Can we declare that the Clock Is Ticking???... This should be the start of NOW mode---Opportunity, Urgency....accountability?
And...PLEASE!!!--- Somebody in that FO/Ownership chain should say the word 'CHAMPIONSHIP"! Forghet about the feeble precepts of "Meaningful Games in September.... Consistently Competitive....".... BlahBlahBlah.
Say it!!!---CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
Yes, you can now officially start the clock ticking. Couldn't really start until some of the long promised arms actually had success on big league level and a couple of position players reached what was expected. Harvey, Wheeler, and DeGrom have shown front end stuff in the majors and Duda and TDA have hit enough to lock down spots, so rebuild is officially over and refinement now begins by filling holes in off season, so yes, you can start the clock.
"List is sloppy to say the least."
No. The list is one man's opinion. The man works very hard on this, giving me a day off on my own site.
Now, if you would like to give us your side of the story, please email to me (macksmets@gmail.com) your 'top 20' list and I would gladly print it on a new post.
Hi Anonymous. Check their ages again. You got both wrong. In your view, even though Seacrest is older (actually 22) it's his forst year...why bother to sign then?
I'm selfishly looking forward to El Paso's own Eudor Garcia as he ascends through the minors. He doesn't "look" like a ballplayer, but all he's done is hit and hit and hit.
Yea, def need to add Rosario as the #2 prospect behind Conforto and then Molina, Taylor, etc.
Milton Ramos needs to be on this list and in the top 10. On MLB.com, he's listed as our #11 overall prospect ahead of guys like Ynoa, Leathersich, Puello, etc.
Another guy to keep an eye on is Alfredo Reyes, who is a middle infielder that hit .316 in Dsl last year and has been getting some playing time at SS.
Ivan Wilson is another guy to keep an eye on once he figures things out, but he's off to a terrible start to his career, but still very young at 19, with plenty of time to turn things around. He does have 5 HRs, but hitting under .200.
My top 25 list would consist of:
1. Michael Conforto
2. Amed Rosario
3. Marcos Molina
4. Blake Taylor
5. Milton Ramos
6. Jhoan Urena
7. Corey Oswalt
8. Wuilmer Beccerra
9. Eudor Garcia
10. Luis Guillorme
11. Martires Arias
12. Brandon Brosher
13. Casey Meisner
14. Michael Katz
15. Oswaldo Carebello
16. Emmanuel Zabella
17. Arnoldo Berrios
18. Dash Winningham
19. Andrew Church
20. Michael Bernal
21. Kelly Seacrest
22. Brad Weick
23. David Roseboom
24. John Mora
25. Pedro Perez
Thoughts?
The Closer
Anyone know if Dash is related to Herman Winningham, one part of the Gary Carter deal?
Also, a pitcher against Lucie the other day is named Mark Leiter. Any relation to our Al or his brother Mark?
Hey Closer
Great list...I really like to root for the underdog, and going by stats early allows guys who in the long run may not keep up have a moment to shine. Guy gets out of gate fast, how long can he excel. Ramos and Meisner will be there soon enough, but under performing so far
Hey Reese
Eudor may not look like a hitter, but maybe he'll be to hitters what Bartolo is to pitchers. Bartolo is one of the least likely looking starters around, and one of the best. When you see Eudor there, post an update - that would be cool.
One other note - Ivan Wilson's strikeouts are extremely high, so he is not on my list for that reason. He'd almost have to cut them in half to get there. Wuilmer Becerra is already there. It would be great for Ivan to figure it out, like den Dekker seems to have, because he is supposed to be a terrific athlete with lots of power.
Mark Leiter is Al's nephew.
On Ivan Wilson, in full agreement, which is why he's not on my lost either, but just a guy to watch as someone who could be someone that has the tools to be a top 10 prospect in the future but just hasn't figured it out yet. His k ratio is so terrible at the moment, he looks like he needs glasses or LASIK surgery.
When I do a prospect list, I try to weigh stats and upside equally, or as equal as I can, but lean slightly more of projection for the short season guys due to limited time, which is why Ramos & Meisner are where they are. I think they have a considerable upside as they develop, especially for guys in short season ball. Guys in AA are weighted a bit more of stats and production over the long hall to review, where the younger guys, some times projection can be all you have to work on and can be dangerous.
You have to feel pretty good about that top 10 list and even if half of them pan out, that will look like some great chips,down the road.
Conforto should probably be sent to Savannah soon, who by the way are 30+ games over .500 and looking to win back to back Sally league championships. If St. Lucie was in the same spot, I'd say to send him there, but getting him some post season experience is more important that high A vs. Low A right now.
You can start him in St. Lucie next year end 2015 in Binghamton . Start 2016 in AAA and possibly up after In June after Super 2 date along with the next wave of prospects who will likely be ready by that point, Nimmo, Matz, Smith, Cecchini, Ynoa, Fulmer, Herrera, etc..
Hey Closer
Cool on Leiter.
See your point on ranking guys.
I am starting the "Conforto in 2015" campaign. Savannah this year, skip St Lucie, AA and AAA next year, Sept call up. His bat will pave the way.
Count me in on the campaign, but based on how this brain trust has run things, I would be very surprised to see him move that fast. That would be extremely quick for anyone and of anyone was on that track Kris Bryant would be the guy to do so. If you see him getting some ABs in Chi town this September and Conforto puts up #'s like him, then we have a shot, but keep in mind the Super 2 date, which is more important given our penny counting ownership which is was ultimately drives this franchise. Sad, but true!
Just throwing my 2 cents in here on this subject again...
You can not evaluate anyone at the rookie level during the same year they just signed a contract. They are coming off a full season of either high school or college baseball and joining 'the grind' is a whole different situation.
A .250 batting average in this first year is a wonderful goal, but, at the same time, the Mets coaches are changing swings, deliveries, etc and there is no chance for decent stats.
Or, put it this way... guys coming out of the DSL have a better chance... they've at least been in the Mets system for at least a year.
I give Tom all the credit in the world for pumping up these kids, but I stopped years ago targeting anyone below the A+ level.
What I am hoping to see from Conforto is power, low Ks, power, high average, power, and strong pitch selection. I have a sense Conforto's Ks will stay low. Those guys generally move faster, as there is. Less chance that guy will flop vs higher competition. Less worry of promoting a guy and having him strike out a million times. Conforto in 2015 is probably a pipe dream, but time will tell. Better call by year end.
Update on the Conforto 2015 campaign. ..........he hit another homer Today....
Conforto OD 2016 or super2 same year.
Mets shut out and Conforto homered again? Forget waitning...bring him up Monday!
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