LOWER MINORS IB, OF, AND CATCHERS – NOT
A SURPLUS!
AND LOWER MINOR LEAGUE “GUPPY” UPDATE by
Tom Brennan
Over the last two Sunday
articles, I presented my thoughts on whom I see making up a surplus in pitching
and middle infielders in the Mets minor
league system as a whole – all seven long- and short-season teams.
I thought I’d switch gears to the remaining positions this week, namely
OF, 1B, 3B, and catcher, but just focus on those from the short season teams only.
league system as a whole – all seven long- and short-season teams.
I thought I’d switch gears to the remaining positions this week, namely
OF, 1B, 3B, and catcher, but just focus on those from the short season teams only.
I do, as most of you
readers know, a Top 20 ranking that is shown in the right sidebar (once you
scroll down on it) – but who are the guys who best represent the above
positions and have real MAJOR LEAGUE upside?
More than with middle infielders, a lack of power is a serious obstacle for these positions, which are typically viewed as power positions. After power for these positions, I look at average and on base %; strikeout rate; and stolen bases. Not above average in essentially all those categories, and you may be the next Zach Lutz. Which as we’ve seen is good on the minor league level, but just isn't good enough to crack a GOOD major league line up - which is what we ultimately want. And at least an average fielder to boot (or hopefully not to boot).
OUTFIELD
Let’s start with a name everyone is familiar with:
More than with middle infielders, a lack of power is a serious obstacle for these positions, which are typically viewed as power positions. After power for these positions, I look at average and on base %; strikeout rate; and stolen bases. Not above average in essentially all those categories, and you may be the next Zach Lutz. Which as we’ve seen is good on the minor league level, but just isn't good enough to crack a GOOD major league line up - which is what we ultimately want. And at least an average fielder to boot (or hopefully not to boot).
OUTFIELD
Let’s start with a name everyone is familiar with:
Michael Conforto. OK, Conforto won't be confused with
Billy Hamilton on the bases. But he projects to be above average in every
other category I listed above. Oft written about, and a future major
league all star, let's hope.
After Conforto, which other
OF prospect else might make a real future major league impact? Of course,
the answer for these short season leagues is “very hard to tell.” In recent years, Darrell Ceciliani and Cory
Vaughn had stron inaugural OF seasons in Buffalo – both have sputtered to
varying degrees since, and the major league future for both as of right now
appears cloudy at best. Having stated
that, let’s roll:
Wuilmer Becerra - 19 year old bopper is showing real hitting promise in Kingsport. The man I have dubbed the Human Cyborg for his sudden breakout several weeks ago has shown enough power and hitting ability this year that we can only hope that he jumps to Savannah on opening day 2015, and gets a full year of development in. Needs to cut the Ks, though.
John Mora - giving us everything but power. No homers this year makes John a long shot as an impact major leaguer. We see the model of Eric Young Jr. as an example of how a no-power guy needs to otherwise be exceptional (high on base, tons of steals, great D) to have an impact major league career, which EY Jr has fallen short of.
Oswald Caraballo - decent hitting in Kingsport, some pop, low Ks. A possibility as a real prospect but nothing that jumps off the “Major League Impact Player” page yet. He’ll have to accelerate.
Dark Horses in the OF: as the saying goes, it is not how you start, it’s how you finish. Two guys who played in the GCL together and are now in Kingsport fall into that category, Vicente Lupo and Ivan Wilson. Both give you an immediate huge red flag: they are more than prone to striking out. But both have shown plus power, which is a commodity that is in scarce supply – fix the Ks and maybe a guy who is struggling now shoots past the guy who does all the right things sooner – but lacks pop.
Vicente has really come on of late, with Ks down to a somwewhat more normal range in recent weeks, and getting on base like he did in 2012 when he dominated the DSL. He copped Appalachian League Offensive Player of the Week dibs, and his OPS was up to .843 through August 19. And he even stole home in a game recently! He is .340/.483/.638 in 14 August games – WOW! He needs to have a big year next year to get on the real major league prospect track - but he truly appears to be making up for lost time in recent weeks.
Wuilmer Becerra - 19 year old bopper is showing real hitting promise in Kingsport. The man I have dubbed the Human Cyborg for his sudden breakout several weeks ago has shown enough power and hitting ability this year that we can only hope that he jumps to Savannah on opening day 2015, and gets a full year of development in. Needs to cut the Ks, though.
John Mora - giving us everything but power. No homers this year makes John a long shot as an impact major leaguer. We see the model of Eric Young Jr. as an example of how a no-power guy needs to otherwise be exceptional (high on base, tons of steals, great D) to have an impact major league career, which EY Jr has fallen short of.
Oswald Caraballo - decent hitting in Kingsport, some pop, low Ks. A possibility as a real prospect but nothing that jumps off the “Major League Impact Player” page yet. He’ll have to accelerate.
Dark Horses in the OF: as the saying goes, it is not how you start, it’s how you finish. Two guys who played in the GCL together and are now in Kingsport fall into that category, Vicente Lupo and Ivan Wilson. Both give you an immediate huge red flag: they are more than prone to striking out. But both have shown plus power, which is a commodity that is in scarce supply – fix the Ks and maybe a guy who is struggling now shoots past the guy who does all the right things sooner – but lacks pop.
Vicente has really come on of late, with Ks down to a somwewhat more normal range in recent weeks, and getting on base like he did in 2012 when he dominated the DSL. He copped Appalachian League Offensive Player of the Week dibs, and his OPS was up to .843 through August 19. And he even stole home in a game recently! He is .340/.483/.638 in 14 August games – WOW! He needs to have a big year next year to get on the real major league prospect track - but he truly appears to be making up for lost time in recent weeks.
Ivan has shown raw power,
but unfortunately is extremely prone to the strikeout. Until some real
progress is shown there, Ivan IMO can't really be seen as a legit prospect. But
the power seems to be plus plus, so he is worth being patient with – dude’s
just 19.
So beyond Conforto, the rest IMO are iffy right now in terms of major league impact potential. Let's hope they can accelerate and move beyond iffy in 2015.
THIRD BASE? Three interesting ones. Jhoan Urena, Eudor Garcia, and Jean Rodriguez. Jhoan (an expensive international signing) has hit well with some pop in Brooklyn. Eudor was a 3rd rounder who is a reputed rake. He’s had a modest start in Kingsport, while demonstrating a good eye & good on base %. I think we will see the real Eudor starting next year.
So beyond Conforto, the rest IMO are iffy right now in terms of major league impact potential. Let's hope they can accelerate and move beyond iffy in 2015.
THIRD BASE? Three interesting ones. Jhoan Urena, Eudor Garcia, and Jean Rodriguez. Jhoan (an expensive international signing) has hit well with some pop in Brooklyn. Eudor was a 3rd rounder who is a reputed rake. He’s had a modest start in Kingsport, while demonstrating a good eye & good on base %. I think we will see the real Eudor starting next year.
Behind door #3, 22 year old
Jean Rodriguez has hit very well so far in Kingsport. In fact, after a
slow 2 for 15 start to his season, he’s hit .338/.416/.556, with a good K
rate. My bets are on Eudor and Jhoan,
but I'm definitely keeping my orbits on J Rod too.
CATCHING? The one masked marauder I was temporarily very excited about was young Brandon Brosher who hit 4 homers in 4 games in the season's first week. And then promptly tore his ACL. I wonder if catching will be an option once he recovers. We'll see. Otherwise, we've seen so many Thole and Centeno types come through this organization, guys with decent bats with zero power, or an occasional all or nothing power type like Recker. The catchers currently playing in Brooklyn, Kingsport and GCL have a lot in common so far: mediocre average and little power. No one grabs me in this group - sorry. And Plawecki, Carillo, and Maron are ahead of them.
FIRST BASE? You want either a Duda or Olerud type - big power or at least moderate power coupled with a big average. Similar to catcher, no one on those 3 teams is jumping out at me as a future major league 1B. Perhaps one of the OFs or 3Bs I wrote above could slot at 1B down the road. In an organization with strong guys in full season leagues such as a Dominic Smith developing ahead of them; a red-hot but less-touted Jayce Boyd who has some similarities to an an Olerud (or more likely a Dave Magadan); or a Michael Oberste in Savannah, I'd say any 1B prospect in the short season enclaves has a very steep road to climb. HOWEVER…dashing Dash Winningham, our 18 year old starting 1B for the GCL Mets, has had a good and improving inaugural season (.254/.340/.428 thru 8/18), and at 6’2”, 230, he has a first base basher’s bulk. Worth watching in 2015 for progress.
So overall, while I may, as Mack would say, appear to be be relentlessly optimistic about our minors guys, the short season 1Bs and catchers are not getting me excited in terms of guys who appear to have future impact major league potential. OF and 3B, however, looks considerably more promising.
CATCHING? The one masked marauder I was temporarily very excited about was young Brandon Brosher who hit 4 homers in 4 games in the season's first week. And then promptly tore his ACL. I wonder if catching will be an option once he recovers. We'll see. Otherwise, we've seen so many Thole and Centeno types come through this organization, guys with decent bats with zero power, or an occasional all or nothing power type like Recker. The catchers currently playing in Brooklyn, Kingsport and GCL have a lot in common so far: mediocre average and little power. No one grabs me in this group - sorry. And Plawecki, Carillo, and Maron are ahead of them.
FIRST BASE? You want either a Duda or Olerud type - big power or at least moderate power coupled with a big average. Similar to catcher, no one on those 3 teams is jumping out at me as a future major league 1B. Perhaps one of the OFs or 3Bs I wrote above could slot at 1B down the road. In an organization with strong guys in full season leagues such as a Dominic Smith developing ahead of them; a red-hot but less-touted Jayce Boyd who has some similarities to an an Olerud (or more likely a Dave Magadan); or a Michael Oberste in Savannah, I'd say any 1B prospect in the short season enclaves has a very steep road to climb. HOWEVER…dashing Dash Winningham, our 18 year old starting 1B for the GCL Mets, has had a good and improving inaugural season (.254/.340/.428 thru 8/18), and at 6’2”, 230, he has a first base basher’s bulk. Worth watching in 2015 for progress.
So overall, while I may, as Mack would say, appear to be be relentlessly optimistic about our minors guys, the short season 1Bs and catchers are not getting me excited in terms of guys who appear to have future impact major league potential. OF and 3B, however, looks considerably more promising.
By this time next year,
we’ll have a much clearer picture on how a bunch of them, Messrs. Conforto,
Becerra, Mora, Lupo, Wilson, Winningham, Garcia, Urena, and Rodriguez are
shaping up. And possibly Brosher,
depending on when he returns from his ACL and if he is still a catcher when he
does.
Any of you have a different
view, please chime in!
NOW: IT'S LOWER MINOR LEAGUE “GUPPY” UPDATE TIME!
NOW: IT'S LOWER MINOR LEAGUE “GUPPY” UPDATE TIME!
For several weeks, I have been ranking the Mets’ short season
prospects, listing my top 20 guys. Ten others, who are performing
admirably but not making my top 20, being listed as Honorable Mentions.
FYI, I still weight towards statistical performance because
performance leading to promotion is a fact of life. Guys should be
excited to get on my Guppy List, but probably more happy to get promoted and
no longer be called a guppy...and a step closer to going from Guppies to major
league sharks - very well paid major league sharks.
In total, the three teams these guys are on guys on have relatively average stats overall. Notable is Brooklyn is 2nd in ERA and nearly leads in Ks out of 14 teams. Also, Kingsport (with a handful of boppers) leads its league in the long ball department. It is my favorite department when I go shopping - "I'll take 50 long balls, please, no need to wrap them". So these 20 top guys are hugely responsible for these teams having above .500 records. These teams will have averaged a little over 60 games each so far, so the producers are becoming clearer as to what they produce (and what they don’t).
Here’s this week’s prestigious Top 20, with an update blurb on each – there have been so many players’ outstanding relief efforts that I am shifting a few guys around since last week:
In total, the three teams these guys are on guys on have relatively average stats overall. Notable is Brooklyn is 2nd in ERA and nearly leads in Ks out of 14 teams. Also, Kingsport (with a handful of boppers) leads its league in the long ball department. It is my favorite department when I go shopping - "I'll take 50 long balls, please, no need to wrap them". So these 20 top guys are hugely responsible for these teams having above .500 records. These teams will have averaged a little over 60 games each so far, so the producers are becoming clearer as to what they produce (and what they don’t).
Here’s this week’s prestigious Top 20, with an update blurb on each – there have been so many players’ outstanding relief efforts that I am shifting a few guys around since last week:
A RATED
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YOUR
BASIC UPDATE BLURB
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RHSP
Marcos Molina – Bklyn
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NYPL
ALL STAR. Terrific. 1.58, 73 K in 63 inn
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OF
Michael Conforto- Bklyn
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Started
too late to be an All Star. .311/.405/.425
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RHSP
Corey Oswalt - Bklyn
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NYPL
ALL STAR. Consistently fine pitching.
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RHSP
M. Arias - Bklyn/Kport
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0.77
ERA thru Aug 18; K per inn.; 0.87 WHIP
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3B
Jhoan Urena - Bklyn
|
NYPL
ALL STAR. Hot last 10 gms: .375, 2 HR, 9 Ribs. Near .300. Defense is a work in progress: 48 miscues in 166 career games.
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CF
John Mora - Bklyn/GCL
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Consistent
around .320 in both leagues. 13 extra
baggers, but still no HRs. 14 of 19
steals.
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RF
Wuilmer Becerra - Kingsport
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Hovering
around .300 while showing nice power.
|
LHRP
Shane Bay – Bklyn
|
NYPL
ALL STAR. 1.93, 13 SVs. Speaks for
itself. Move him from B to A for his great closer work.
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SS
Amed Rosario – Bklyn
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NYPL
ALL STAR. Rumored mid-week to be on his way up to Savannah. He has a "rosy" future.
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3B
Jean Rodriguez – Kingsport
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As
noted above, he has hit LOTS this year. LOTS
|
B
RATED
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SS
Luis Guillorme – Kingsport
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.280s, fine glove. Slip him to High B
this week
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1B
Dash Winningham – GCL
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18
yr old, offense trending up. 8 RBI in last 7 gms
|
LHRP
Kelly Secrest - Bklyn
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1.40,
25 Ks in 19 innings. Speaks for
itself.
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LHRP
Brad Wieck - Bklyn
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1.35,
28 Ks in 20 innings. Speaks for
itself.
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LHP
Kevin Canelon - GCL
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1.74,
31 innings with 28 Ks vs. 1 BB, 0.77 WHIP. What’s not to like?
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LHRP Dave Roseboom – K'port
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15
gms, 1.74, 1.26, 21 Ks in last 12 innings.
|
RHSP
Scarlyn Reyes - Bklyn
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2.09,
39 innings, 37 Ks, 1.14 WHIP.
Excellent.
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RHRP
Alex Palsha GCL
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0.69,
17 Ks in 13 inn. 10 SVs. Speaks for itself.
|
RHSP Casey Meisner
Added to list
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Casey
made a case for himself with recent strong games and 53Ks in 51 innings. Stengel approves.
|
RHRP Jimmy Duff – Kingsport
Added
to list
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6’6,
200 lb 20th Rd pick. 3-1,
28 inn, 22 K, 1.59, 0.95. He’s on list
with that performance, for sure
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Honorable
Mentions (a # of these dudes are a millimeter away from B):
HITTERS:
|
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OF Enmanuel Zabala
Moved
to Honorable Mention
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Hanging
above .300 at .308, low Ks, just .373 slug.
|
3B Eudor Garcia
Moved to Honorable Mention
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.253/.323/.339. Reputed rake is struggling a bit. He'll get there.
|
Vicente Lupo
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Resurrected
hitting prowess in K’port. Up to .270
|
Oswald Caraballo
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Previous B Lister. 28 RBI in 53 games.
|
Milton Ramos
|
Solid
1st season. 5 triples, 26
RBI in 45 games.
|
PITCHERS:
|
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Josh Prevost
|
Fine
relief for Cyclones. Close to Weick & Seacrest in performance so far.
|
Ty Badamo
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A great start in GCL Wed got him back on the board - it is tough for the pitchers - so many are off to fine starts. Ty in now 27 IP, 24K, 2.00 ERA, 1.00 WHIP. Kid from Suffolk County!!
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Matt Blackham
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Fine
pitching in 9 outings/15 innings in Kingsport.
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Adrian Almeida
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Very
solid pitching, but high BB. Pushing the B
list. And...he is a young lefty (so am I (except the young part), and lefties are in their right minds!)
|
Nabil Crismatt
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24 inn, 24 K, 2.59, 0.82. 0.56
ERA last 10 games!
|
Proud of these boys. Lots of great performers.
READER BEWARE! I AM ON VACATION THIS WEEK, SO STATS MOSTLY CUT OFF TUESDAY IN THESE RANKINGS. I NEED THE R&R! SOME GUY'S GONNA GET REAL HOT OR REAL COLD LATE WEEK AND MESS ME UP. PLAYERS, GET REAL HOT AND MESS ME UP ALL YOU WANT!!!
READER BEWARE! I AM ON VACATION THIS WEEK, SO STATS MOSTLY CUT OFF TUESDAY IN THESE RANKINGS. I NEED THE R&R! SOME GUY'S GONNA GET REAL HOT OR REAL COLD LATE WEEK AND MESS ME UP. PLAYERS, GET REAL HOT AND MESS ME UP ALL YOU WANT!!!
That’s it – that’s all – signing off for now. Whaddya think?
Have a great day, folks.
7 comments:
Another great weekly update of the guppies
Spot on, Thomas. An absolutely great post. Your analysis of the guppies couldn't be better.
You missed Tomas Nido in Brooklyn. His average is not mediocre at .280. I think the one area that the Mets and some bloggers conaistently miss on is the importance of defense behind the plate. Mets seem to not understand that. Yadier Molina was not a .300 hitter or impact offensive player hi first couple of years but he was a tremendous impact behind the plate. Centeno, for example, is a plus defender. Above average receiver and arm, and plus blocker. Why he has not gotten an extended look in the bigs, at least for the backup, is beyond me. Nido is young and was very highly touted out of H.S. but a bad senior season push him down draft boards and the Mets were fortunate to get him to forego a Florida State commitment.
Really like Mora. Reminds me of Timo Perez a bit.
Nido has moved through the Mets organization very slowly... and had a very disappointing 2013.
One must remember it is very tough to get maximum bats as a catcher in the minors. Every team tends to carry three due to the pen needs and the Mets seem to specialize in platooning.
Nido is now 20 is is beginning to swing a little better but it doesn't take long to get lost in a system.
Hey Mack. Precisely, Nido is STILL only 20. He is still below league average age for the NY penn league. Offense comes around later for catchers than other positions. Which is my point regarding defense. Nido profiles as at least an average big league backstop defensively. If he hits .250-.280, hes a big leaguer. Maybe more if he taps into his power potential, which anyone who has ever seen or scouted him knows he has. The fact that he has already been in the system a couple of years does not preclude him from being a legitimate prospect. Look at Jonathan Lucroy of the Brewers. Lucroy played AA at age 23. Nido profiles to be at AA at the same age, maybe sooner. And while Nido has to develop his offensive game, Lucroy had to develop his defensive game. Not saying Nido will turn into Lucroy. Just that he is still young, has very good upside and trending in the right direction.
All I said was that Nido got off to a slow start. That's all.
Good evening, gentlemen. I finally got access after a long day of fun in the sun. I see Duda had fun in the sun too. Good for him - he is channeling Boog Powell. Hopefully, he'll be even better.
Thanks, Herb, for appreciating the guppies analysis. Lots of great guppies in the fish bowl, I must say, and they're feeding on fish food and getting bigger and better all the time.
I hope Nido does well. I've just seen that the Mets' catchers who are successful since the dawn of the Met franchise have (with the probable exception of Jerry Grote) been guys with pop...guys who hit no homers become fringe guys. So I hope Mr. Nido can add to that part of his game. Centeno is an advanced hitter, and lefty to offset d'Arnaud or Plawecki, so it diminishes the impact of Juan's lack of power on his future.
Tomas is a decent sized guy, and maybe he'll make like Cecchini and suddenly start hitting with some power. That would get him onto a faster track. That said, he has improved this year offensively.
Duda's power is making him indispensible. Without it, he'd be dispensible. If Tomas adds power, his value would similarly rise.
I was trying to draw a line between guys who right now I could visualize as IMPACT future major leaguers. I'm hoping my list is incomplete and others will become impact guys. But as Mack will attest, there are many Andrew Browns who seem to get close but somehow don't seem to get to the point where they make that ultimate impact.
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