Mack’s Morning News – 12-4-15 – Billy Wagner, Chris Young, 2016 Draft,Wilin Rosario, Bob Geren


Good morning.

I feature this  Fangraphs article here so a reader of Mack’s Mets, Billy Wagner, can link to what they are saying about him -

Rollie Fingers, Goose Gossage, Bruce Sutter and Hoyt Wilhelm are in the Hall of Fame. It’s a given that Mariano Rivera will be enshrined once he’s eligible. Trevor Hoffman is likely to reach Cooperstown as well.

Billy Wagner is expected to remain on the outside looking in. That’s wholly unfair, as no list of the greatest relievers of all time is complete without his name. Few lefties have thrown harder, and his numbers are eye-popping.
Wagner was as overpowering as anyone. He allowed just 6.0 hits per nine innings over his 16 seasons, and his K/9 was 11.9. His 422 saves rank him fifth on the historical leader board, and his ERA was 2.31.

Mack – There’s no way that Wagner shouldn’t be in the HOF, but these things do tend to become popularity contests and not everyone was a personal favorite of this guy.

          Sorry Billy.

The Boston Red Sox signing of ex-Mets, ex-Yankee OF Chris Young, to a multi-year contract was an interesting development this week.

Young was a complete bust as a Met, but did bounce back to some degree with the Yanks. He no longer is considered a candidate for centerfield, which is no problem to Boston, who has three of them already (Jackie Bradley Jr., Mookie Betts, Rusney Castillo).

JBJ is a Golden Glove centerfielder who would be the perfect platoon partner for the dead pull ball hitting Young, but this is a lot of outfield talent for one team (his one downside is his reverse splits last season… .306 vs. LHP, .222 vs. RHP).

A bunch of us here at MMs recently discussed a mock Harvey trade that included Bradley,

My guess is nobody goes anywhere here and the Red Sox find a way to get everyone enough at bats (a la the Dodgers) to keep them from bitching.

Baseball America http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/groome-pint-debate-headlines-class-16/ came out with their top 100 high school prospects for the 201 draft –

Rank PlayerPositionHt.Wt.SchoolCommitmentVideo
1. Jason Groomelhp6-4224Barnegat (N.J.) HighVanderbilt Video
2. Riley Pintrhp6-5195St. Thomas Aquinas High, Overland Park, Kan.Louisiana State Video
3. Blake Rutherfordof6-1176Chaminade College Prep, Canoga, Calif.UCLA Video
4. Josh Lowe3b/rhp6-4190Pope High, Marietta, Ga.Florida State Video
5. Mickey Moniakof6-1167La Costa Canyon High, Carlsbad, Calif.UCLA Video
6. Delvin Perezss6-2165International Baseball Academy, Ceiba, P.R.Uncommitted Video
7. Ian Andersonrhp6-3175Shenendohowa High, Clifton Park, N.Y.Vanderbilt Video
8. Matt Manningrhp6-5194Sheldon High, SacramentoLoyola Marymount Video
9. Reggie Lawsonrhp6-3213Victor Valley High, Victorville, Calif.Arizona State Video
10. Nolan Jonesss/3b6-4194Holy Ghost Prep, Langhorne, Pa.Virginia
11. Will Bensonof6-5225The Westminster Schools, AtlantaDuke Video
12. Braxton Garrettlhp6-3190Florence (Ala.) HighVanderbilt Video
13. Jesus Luzardolhp6-1209Stoneman Douglas High, Pompano Beach, Fla.Miami
14. Alex Speasrhp6-4187McEachern High, Powder Springs, Ga.Auburn Video
15. Forrest Whitleyrhp6-6253Alamo Heights High, San Antonio, TexasFlorida State
16. Brandon McIlwainof5-11199Council Rock North, Newtown, Pa.South Carolina
17. Alex Kirilloffof6-2195Plum High, New Kensington, Pa.Liberty
18. Carter Kieboomss/3b6-2185Walton High, Marietta, Ga.Clemson Video
19. Kevin Gowdyrhp6-2171Santa Barbara (Calif.) HighUCLA
20. Luis Curbeloss6-3187Cocoa (Fla.) HighMiami
21. Joe Rizzo3b5-11215Oakton High, Vienna, Va.South Carolina Video
22. Cole Raganslhp6-4190North Florida Christian School, Tallahassee, Fla.Florida State Video
23. Cooper Johnsonc6-0200Carmel Catholic, Mundelein, Ill.Mississippi Video
24. Hudson Sanchezss/3b6-2195Carroll Senior High, Southlake, TexasTexas A&M
25. Zack Hessrhp6-4210Liberty Christian Academy, Lynchburg, Va.Louisiana StateVideo
26. Erik Millerlhp6-4224De Smet Jesuit High, St. LouisStanford
27. Daniel Bakstss6-1183Poly Prep Country Day School, New YorkStanford
28. Ulysses Cantu3b/c5-11225Boswell High, Fort Worth, TexasTexas Tech Video
29. Austin Bergnerrhp6-4190Windermere (Fla.) Prep SchoolNorth Carolina
30. Tyler Baumrhp6-2170West Orange High, Winter Garden, Fla.North Carolina
31. Carlos Cortes2b/of/c5-9190Oviedo (Fla.) HighSouth Carolina Video
32. Zach Linginfelterrhp6-5220Sevier County High, Sevierville, Tenn.Tennessee Video
33. Nicholas Quintanass/2b5-9185Arbor View High, Las VegasArizona
34. Todd Petersonrhp6-5205Lake Mary (Fla.) HighLouisiana State Video
35. Matt Clevelandrhp6-3189Windsor (Conn.) HighFlorida Southwestern Video
36. Bo Bichette2b/3b5-11201Lakewood High, St. Petersburg, Fla.Arizona State Video
37. Thomas Dillardc5-11224Oxford (Miss.) HighMississippi Video
38. Mario Felicianoc6-1195Carlos Beltran Baseball Academy, Florida, P.R.Uncommitted
39. Davis Danielrhp6-1175St. James School, Montgomery, Ala.Auburn
40. Dustin Mayrhp6-6180Northwest High, Fort Worth, TexasTexas Tech
41. Rian Hairelhp6-3205South Caldwell High, Hudson, N.C.South Carolina
42. Avery Tuckof6-5188Steele Canyon High, Spring Valley, Calif.San Diego State Video
43. Charles Kingrhp6-5201Coppell (Texas) HighTexas Christian
44. Max Kranickrhp6-3185Valley View High, Archbald, Pa.Virginia
45. Ben Rortvedtc5-9185Verona (Wisc.) HighArkansas
46. Tyler Benninghoffrhp6-4180Rockhurst High, Kansas City, Mo.Arkansas
47. Gavin Luxss6-0167Indian Trail Academy, Kenosha, Wisc.Arizona State
48. Akil Baddooof6-1195Salem High, Conyers, Ga.Kentucky
49. Alexis Torresss6-0170Puerto Rico Baseball Academy, Gurabo, P.R.Uncommitted
50. Cole Stobbess/3b6-1183Millard West High, OmahaArkansas
51. Ryan Zeferjahnrhp6-4188Seaman High, Topeka, Kan.Kansas
52. Bryse Wilsonrhp6-1215Orange High, Hillsborough, N.C.North Carolina
53. Adam Laskeylhp6-2194Haddon Heights (N.J) HighDuke
54. Taylor Trammellof6-2195Mount Paran Christian School, Kennesaw, Ga.Georgia Tech
55. Jonathan Gettyslhp6-3220Gainesville (Ga.) HighLouisiana State
56. Jaren Shelbyof5-11185Tates Creek High, Lexington, Ky.Kentucky Video
57. Karl Kaufmannrhp6-2200Brother Rice High, Bloomfield Hills, Mich.Michigan
58. Jack Gillislhp6-3241Wilmington (Mass.) HighVanderbilt
59. Joey Wentz1b6-5209Shawnee Mission East High, Prairie Village, Kan.Virginia
60. Skylar Szynskirhp6-1198Penn High, Mishawaka, Ind.Indiana Video
61. Bo Weissrhp6-3190Regis Jesuit High, Aurora, Col.North Carolina Video
62. Will Ethridgerhp6-5195Parkview High, Lilburn, Ga.Mississippi
63. Keenan Bellof6-2215Episcopal School, Jacksonville, Fla.Florida
64. Tyler Fitzgeraldss6-2175Rochester (Ill.) HighLouisville
65. Walker Robbins1b6-3210George County High, Lucedale, Miss.Mississippi State
66. T.J. Collettc6-0225Terre Haute (Ind.) North HighKentucky
67. DeShawn Lookoutss/3b6-2188Westmoore High, Oklahoma CityOklahoma
68. Mike Amditisc5-10185Boca Raton (Fla.) Community HighMiami Video
69. Ben Bairdss6-1176Agoura High, Agoura Hills, Calif.Washington Video
70. Easton McGeerhp6-7187Hopkinsville (Ky.) HighKentucky
71. Miles Sandumlhp6-4215Granite Hills High, El Cajon, Calif.San Diego
72. Francisco Thomasss/3b6-1204Osceola High, Kississimmee, Fla.San Diego State
73. Tyler Mondilerhp6-2170Gloucester Catholic High, Gloucester City, N.J.Florida State
74. Jeff Belgelhp6-4235Henninger High, SyracuseSt. John’s
75. Robbie Petorhp6-4193Monroe Township (N.J.) HighNorth Carolina
76. Blake Sabolc6-4193Aliso Niguel (Calif.) HighSouthern California
77. Brandon Martoranoc6-2165Christian Brothers Academy, Marlboro, N.J.North Carolina
78. Alek Manoahrhp6-6245South Dade High, Homestead, Fla.West Virginia Video
79. Christian Jones1b6-1212Federal Way (Wash.) HighWashington
80. Will Proctorss6-0176Mira Costa High, Manhattan Beach, Calif.Georgia
81. Spencer Brickhouse1b6-3225Bunn (N.C) HighEast Carolina
82. Josh Stephenof6-0185Mater Dei High, Santa Ana, Calif.Southern California
83. Thomas Jonesof6-3195Laurens (S.C.) HighVanderbilt
84. Jack Littlerhp6-4205Bishop Gorman High, Las VegasStanford
85. Andrew Bakerof/lhp5-11185Ridge Community High, Davenport, Fla.Florida
86. Noah Murdockrhp6-7181Colonial Heights (Va.) HighVirginia
87. Brad Deboc6-0221Orange High, Hillsborough, N.C.South Carolina
88. Drew Mendozass/3b6-4195Lake Minneola High, Minneola, Fla.Florida State
89. Drake Fellowsrhp6-5205Joliet (Ill.) Catholic AcademyVanderbilt
90. Greg Velizrhp/3b6-1195North Broward Prep, Pompano Beach, Fla.Miami Video
91. Austin Langworthyof5-11180Williston (Fla.) HighFlorida
92. Tobias Myersrhp6-1180Winter Haven (Fla.) HighSouth Florida
93. Andrew Schultzrhp6-3180Greater Atlanta Christian School, Norcross, Ga.Tennessee
94. Austin Shenton3b5-11208Bellingham (Wash.) HighWashington
95. Kobie Taylorof6-0175Portsmouth (N.H) HighVanderbilt
96. Mason Thompsonrhp6-7185Round Rock (Texas) HighTexas
97. Bryant Packard1b6-3196DH Conley High, Greenville, N.C.East Carolina
98. Graham Ashcraftrhp6-2208Huntsville (Ala.) HighMississippi State
99. Andy Yerzyc6-3223York Mills Collegiate Institute, Toronto, Ont.Notre Dame
100. Dalton Feeneyrhp6-3200Century High, Bismarck, N.D.Missouri

Print the list out and hold it for a June reference.

Does former Colorado Rockies 1B-C Wilin Rosario offer a short term alternative to Lucas Duda while, at the same time, playing third catcher to Travis d'Arnaud and Kevin Plawecki. Would this give the Mets an opportunity to structure a deal of Duda to Colorado for help somewhere else?

Rosario has had some great years in Colorado, including 2012 (28-HRs, 71-RBI) and 2013 (21-HRs, 79-RBI) when he was their starting catcher; however, his 2015 season was split with the Rockies AAA affiliate and he only produced a 79 OPS+ in his 242 major league at-bats.

Rosario played 2015 as a 26-year old. 

I hate change.

Bench coach Bob Geren is moving back to the Left Coast and taking over the Bench gig for the Dodgers. My guess he has a promise to be next up for the manager's job some day.

My hopes are my buddy Tim Tuefel moves to the bench from third base and is replaced by Binghamton manager Pedro Lopez


Tom Brennan said...

Billy Wagner should be in the Hall. No ifs, ands, or buts. He was terrific, end of story.

That guy Rosario sounds interesting to consider as a back up.

Henderson looks like a solid bullpen pick up.

TGIF, folks.

Mack Ade said...

Have a good weekend Tom and thanks for the comment.

Anonymous said...

Geren lives in CA and I think this move was a quality of life issue, mostly.

Interestingly, it's been reported that Geren was the true stat guy in the dugout and actually handled the strategic moves for the Mets, with Collins' handling the clubhouse and media.

It will be interesting how the Mets handle this change.

eraff said...

The Baseball HOF has suffered greatly from the "Mazerosky Effect". He had a great career....and a Hall of Fame moment with his world series HR. The Hall includes those moments and memories for all of baseball, and it remembers players LIKE Maz.... but it has historically enshrined ONLY the greatest of the great.

Recent standard has been to compare "almost HOF" guys to the fringiest HOF Players. There are many of these ALMOST guys---Vada Pinson...Rusty Staub....Mex....Julio Franco---the list goes on. They are somke of my favorite players---my "About as good as you can get WITHOUT being a Hall of Famer" List.

There are instances where some of them may actually belong...may yet get in.

Wagner is an ALMOST...he's missing some of the big, magic moments. Heck---Hoffman is almost in the same category, but he has the overwhelming Stats, but also without the big magic moments.

Mack Ade said...

Anonymous -

If this is true, this could work against the 'old school' Tuefel.

Christopher Soto said...

Nationals Sign LHRP Oliver Perez.

2 years/$7M (3.5M per season)

Can't wait till he's rattled by the NYM fanbase once again :)

As a side note....that now leaves LHRP Matt Thornton with no home.

2.18 ERA in 41.4 IP. Held LHH to a .198 Avg/.484 OPS

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