The SUNDAY SCOOP: HEY, GET OUT OF MY WAY! AND WE GOT A SURPLUS OVER HERE! BY Tom Brennan
Some
guys are studs, and not only made it into the subway car, but got subway seats
- in fact, since they're larger than your average Lilliputian, these players
take 2 of those #7 line seats, one for each cheek, so to speak. Going
first class all the way...guys like Conforto, Molina, and Rosario. Only
way they're getting off their current choo choo train is to switch to the Citi
Express to stardom.
My
A ranked guys are the preemos - they all have choice seats.
B rankers?
Hand rails and decent seats are deservedly there for them.
C guys?
They’re just glad they made it onto the #7 Express, even if it meant throwing a
few stiff shoulders to get into the subway car, and even if their shirts are
hanging out the doors as they close.
So
who's in, who's out, who's upgraded, who's downgraded? For one, Ty Williams is in. Ty got bumped
alphabetically last week after being left off the list in favor of David Roseboom. But Ty lowered
the shoulder with another stellar relief outing a few days ago and fought his
way into our All Star Boxcar. Ty is a 6’2” 195, 20 year old righty who had a
brief, rough intro to the pro circuit in 2013, but has shown great improvement
in 2014. May it continue unabated.
Milton Ramos, #11 on the Mets own prospect list? Did he finally make the venerated Mack’s Mets Lower Minors Top 20 sidebar of fame? C’mon was there ever any doubt? Readers last week wanted him on the list despite his .200 average, but if you don't hit, stay off of my train!
But Milton is starting to rip now; he was
up to .255 by Tuesday on the strength of a 6 game stretch in which he pounded
out 11 hits…so, not only welcome aboard, Milton, I’m skipping you past C class
right on up to B class – and we expect you to grab an A seat in the weeks to
come.
Scarlin
Reyes is an interesting righty – 6’3”, 190, 22
years old trying to imitate Rafael Montero. How? One year in the
developmental league last year, at a very advanced age (for that league) of
21. But he was great there – 5-3, 1.41, and mets jumped him all the way
to Brooklyn where, through Tuesday, he was 2-1, 2.28 in 28 innings, with 26 K’s.
Let’s recap (note: I use an A-B-C rating (essentially A = best;
B = close to A; C = the remaining best before all the rest): our current
riders:
A LIST: My A list is now 9 guys at this
point:
Michael
Conforto, Marcos Molina, Amed Rosario, Jhoan Urena, Corey Oswalt, Blake Taylor,
Wuilmer Becerra, Eudor Garcia, and 23 year old
recent Cyclone (promoted from Kingsport)
Martirez Arias, all 6’7” of him. Wuilmer, in particular, continues to surge - last 22 games through Thursday, 34 for 88 (.386) with a slug % of .602.
B LIST? A Fearsome Fivesome:
B listers are 22 year old Kelly Seacrest and his pen pal Brad Wieck; Milton Ramos; and John Mora.
Hey, Mr. Mora got a nice
upgrade all the way to Brooklyn from the GCL a few days ago – very impressive
jump, and congrats to John for that.
Oh, and I’m going to shift 18
year old Dash Winningham onto the B
list from the C list for now, as in his last 7 games, he’s thrown up a 10 for
23 spurt, with 8 runs and 8 RBIs. After a slow start, he is up over
.250 with 4 homers, a rare lower minor commodity.
NOTE: Michael Katz has not
appeared in a game from July 28 thru August 5, so I am gonna drop him from the
list temporarily and give another guy a chance to get on the list – I’m moving
Katz from the bar car to sick bay.
C LIST:
Oswald Caraballo; Luis Guillorme;
Adrian Almeida (though control issues
continue); David Roseboom; Ty Williams; Kevin Canelon; and
Arnaldo Berrios. Since we’re going to 25
from 20 this week, I’m adding in Scarlin
Reyes and Shane Bay.
That’s 9 C’s, and with the nine
A’s and 5 B’s, that makes 23, and leaves me 2 more C’s to add. So here goes:
For # 24, let’s get Enmanuel
Zabbala onto the list this week. Manny Z is a 6’0”, 185 lb 19 year
old OF, who has been to the plate for our GCL team 145 times, and has put up a
slash of .319/.373/.400, and he must to run,
as he has stolen 9 bases - but he's been caught 10 times. Whoops.
Yori Nuez almost cracked the list,
starting off 5-1, but had a poor start in a loss onTuesday. So he, Michael Katz, Luis Ortega, and other
hopefuls will have to wait to see if they can get on next week’s train. A
ride is only a hot streak away.
Oh, and let's not forget last year's high picks Andrew Church and Casey Meisner - both have really started to pitch well and may crack my Top 25 next week. And reliever Ty Badamo, who earlier was on the list and got bumped due to other excelling relievers, tossed a great 5 inning start for the GCL Mets this week and may push his way back onto the list. If this keeps up, the list, which started at 20 and has grown to 25, may grow to 30 guys - we'll see next week.
Oh, and I’d love to add some catchers since
Brandon Brosher went down for the
season to injury, so can one of you guys wearing masks heat up, please?
No plus performers in that group so far, and Brosher, who hit 4 homers in 4 games pre-injury, had more homers in those 4 games than all the other catchers on these 3 teams combined so far. Hit the weight room, guys!Oh, and let's not forget last year's high picks Andrew Church and Casey Meisner - both have really started to pitch well and may crack my Top 25 next week. And reliever Ty Badamo, who earlier was on the list and got bumped due to other excelling relievers, tossed a great 5 inning start for the GCL Mets this week and may push his way back onto the list. If this keeps up, the list, which started at 20 and has grown to 25, may grow to 30 guys - we'll see next week.
NOW:
CAN ANYONE SAY
"SURPLUS?"
Sometimes, the minor league cupboard can be
mighty bare. Just 3 years ago, TJ Rivera (hitting a robust .346 this
year) was the only guy in the organization who hit over .300, and he barely
made it (.301), and besides, he had little power and was in A ball, so it was
lean. A guy named Harvey was pitching well, but not crushing
opponents. Wheeler was showing some progress. So were Montero and
Leathersich, but doing it in A ball. We hoped against hope that
Reese Havens and Zach Lutz would stay healthy and make it - not. Brad
Holt and Eddie Kunz had us reaching for soothing, pink Pepto Bismol.
Today? Night and day compared to back
then. Boatloads of pitching of high and medium projected major league
caliber, and some real hitting hope to boot.
Let me list them, as I see them. Pitchers
this week, hitters next week.
These
pitchers may not fill the role on the Mets that I tab them for, due to who else
is already there - e.g. Harvey is a #1, but so is deGrom, so if I tab a minor
leaguer as a #1, I am doing so as to where I think he'd fall on your average
major league team, not necessarily the Mets, who likely will have at least 5
young #1 / #2 caliber starters in the pretty near future:
STARTERS
Top tier future starters -
4 as of now:
Noah Syndergaard - #1 starter
Rafael Montero - #2 starter (awesome
start on Tuesday, BTW)
Steve Matz - #2 starter
Marcos Molina - #2 starter
Then
there are starters who are in the system who I'll toss into the #3 to #5
starter category, either because they appear to be less than the above group,
or it is kind of early to see how they'll pan out, guys who in a few years
could be a # 2 or could be a #5, but all of whom I think would most likely be
capable of being real major league starters:
#3
to #5 projected starters - 13 in all; throw in Jeremy Hefner too, and you
got 14:
1.
Matt Bowman
2.
Miller Diaz
3.
John Gant
4.
Bob
Gsellman
5.
Corey Mazzoni
6.
Casey Meisner
7.
Corey Oswalt
8.
Tyler Pill
9.
Blake Taylor
10.
Logan Taylor
11.
Logan Verrett
12.
Robert Whelan
13.
Greg Ynoa
There are other minors guys who might fall
into the more fringy category, the kind of guy who might someday be good enough
for spot starts or long relief. Or who are not listed above, but will
surprise (like, say, an Andrew Church),
and move onto the above list.
But even without any of those, I list 18
guys above (including Hefner) who in my opinion are most likely real major
league caliber starter stuff, even if in most cases 4th or 5th starter
stuff. That's remarkable indeed. Unprecedented, perhaps. Can
somebody scream “SURPLUS” without waking the kids?
RELIEF PITCHING
Of
course, this list gets more iffy, as some of the above surplus (like Montero
and Mazzoni) could be shifted to the pen. But guys who actually relieve
now, but should end up in a major league pen as an oft-used key piece are:
DEFINITES:
Jack Leathersich
Akeel Morris
POSSIBLES: There are many, but my
above list is few, because bullpen guys at the major league level have to be
really good, or they'll get scorned really fast. And many guys do well up
to A ball as relievers and then stagger vs AA and AAA hitters, so it is a crap
shoot.
Three POSSIBLES I will mention are Beck Wheeler (because he has a great
strikeout ratio, with 127 in 85 innings this year and last - his seeming major
flaw is to have an occasional horrible relief outing surrounded by many
overpowering ones) and Paul Sewald
(4-1, 7 saves, 1.23, 51 Ks in 44 innings) who is having a great season in St
Lucie. In fact, Paul is at a 1.60 ERA with 153 K’s in 129 innings in his
career since 2012. He probably already belongs on the list, but I’d like
to see him him AA first. Also, Cody
Satterwhite is having a fine
season in AA.
Other
pitching guys may get there, too – see my A/B/C lower minors list for some
promising relief arms.
I could give you my rationale on the guys
who actually made my lists above, but this article would get too danged long,
frankly.
So what do you think? Do my lists
above show reality, or the faulty thinking of a rabid Met fan? I don’t
think so – the Mets’ top 4 minor league teams are not a combined 85 games over
.500 for nothing.
Which pitchers did I leave off that should
be on there? Who do I overrate? Tell me. Be nice.
But above all - have a GREAT day.
P.S.
I was curious how many players (including
rehabbers like Lagares) have played in GCL games so far this year.
Take a stab at it, dear reader...if you
guessed 57, you're right.
Which tells me that if you sneak down there
in a uniform, you might just get in and play yourself - everyone else is!
19 comments:
Great analysis, thanks for all the work you put in.
I look at that (Syndergaard as a #1 and Matz as a #2) and can't help but want to hold onto our pitching. A rotation of 4 #1's and a #2? SICK.
-t really is sick, Michael. And if those 5 vanished into thin air today, we'd have an army of decent pitchers right behind them, IMO.
Huge congrats to Matt den Dekker on his promotion, by the way. Really well deserved...last 42 AAA games, .420/.500/.700. Ks way down. He said he fixed his swing, so this is not just a guy who had the hot streak of his career, IMO. His promotion will reduce the minor league hitters' surplus I'll write about next week, but the offense has its surpluses too. Exciting.
It does. MDD is one who I really want to see now that he's cut down on the K's. I was never a believer because of that, but if he's truly improved his batting eye, we might have another young, exciting, and under team control player on our hands...possibly solving our leadoff problem.
Or, Michael, Matt becomes a trade chip as part of a deal for an accomplished slugger. Goal IMO needs to be to boost the offense to make it one of the league's strongest, then with superior pitching go for the World Series in 2015. As much as I like Matt DD, if he becomes a star, even the optimist in me will be surprised. But we got the rest of 2014 to see what we have in Dekker and Flores, if Collins plays it right.
It's so funny how you change your mind every week.
He could be a valuable trade chip.
I don't expect him to be a superstar but he could easily become a solid MLB player that fills a need.
Thomas, great post, love the analysis. Thank you for adding Milton Ramos, who's been crushing the ball at GCL in the last 10 games, .412/.474/.618 for an OPS line of 1.091 for a guy with an all glove, no bat reputation.
Obviously that pace is sick, but if he can be anything like this version of Milton Ramos, we have another potential SS candidate for 2018, along with Luis Guillorme, whom I'm not sure which one I like better yet. Guillorme is hitting .284/.384/.337 so far this season and by many accounts is considered another slick fielding SS that will definitely stick their in the future, just whether he'll hit though, so this is a good sign.
Also, in terms of potential #3-#5 starting pitchers, we have a plenty of them.
Michael Fulmer, who not that long ago was considered a possible #2 before his injury, so hopefully he gets back on track next year. Rainy Lara who pitched 7 2/3 shut out ball last night for AA Bingo, Matt Koch (cook), AA Greg Peavey, 9-2, 2.58 ERA, not the AAA version, 1-5, 11.62 ERA.
Let us not forget the enigma that is Domingo Tapia, who's been ranked as high as #8 ranked Mets prospect over the last few years. Throws middle to upper 90's but has been more 91-93 as a starter, walks way too many guys and doesn't generate the k ratio you'd expect from a guy that throws that hard. Partially due to his power sinker that would certainly seem to play up coming out of the pen and could be a devastating coming out of the pen throwing a mid 90's power sinker to generate ground ball DP's. I've been one of the guys that have been promoting a transition to the bullpen for Tapia for years now, especially considering the surplus we have at SP, this offseason would certainly be the time to " Familia" him.
Let us not forget Luis Mateo, who was the Mets #9 prospect just last year before his arm injury and the who received the call up to to AA before Jacob DeGrom and if not for his injury might have made his way onto the major league roster before DeGrom. At this point, I think he's better suited for the bullpen going forward, again the surplus doesnt hurt either, but his mid 90's stuff will play up in the pen better as well, along with his wipeout slider. I would have liked to see more of him this year, but I guess they are taking things slow with him as he's currently listed on the Brooklyn roster, but only has a lot of 10 IPs so far this year.
In terms of just BP arms, we have more than enough guys that are either SP's right now that will convert into the pen, Montero (who I'd rather trade then move to the pen, more value), Tapia, Mateo, Mazzoni, Gorski, Koch, Robles, etc. and could turn into successful relievers in the mold of Bobby Parnell, who was a starter most of his career until recently.
Of course the guys mentioned, Akeel Morris & Jack Leathersich are obvious future late inning K artists and the other three mentioned, Seawald, Satterwhite and Wheeler are all having nice seasons, so I agree look like solid arms for the future Mets bullpen.
We also have a few guys like Chase Bradford, Zachary Thornton, Eric Goeddel, John Church, Randy Fontanez, Seth Lugo, Robert Coles,
Gonzalez German, Dario Alvarez, Darwin Frias, Shane Bay, etc having solid seasons out of the pen and could be future options down the road.
Don't forget about Jeff Walters, who was unhittable last year in AA and set the AA saves record for us. He struggled in AAA, but was clearly not healthy so he gets a pass in my book.
Point is, Thomas is right, we have a lot of surplus, especially with #3, #4 and #5 starters for years to come, which means depth and potential trade value.
This offseason will definitely be interesting, that's for sure since if they don't make a splash this offseason and continue with "Business as usual" they will lose even most fans and more money. A lot of us gave them a pass because of the Harvey injury, but they have no excuses to make this team better than below average and into something we can believe in. Mets fans are desperate for something we believe in and like the famous phrase goes, "If you build it, they will come." Not the other way around Sandy, we aren't going to come, unless you build it!!
MDD certainly has trade value as he's a top 20 Mets prospect and tearing up AAA Vegas. I know a lot of people are going to say its Vegas, he should be!! Last time I checked, Colorado plays in the thin air too and have a need for a left hand hitting CF to patrol the large Coors field outfield. He could be a nice piece in the trade too to get Tulo, especially since he doesn't have a role on this team with Lagares our CF for the next 5+ years.
#1 Thor, #2 Plawecki, #6 Montero, #19 MDD, would be a good start for Tulo, especially considering the salary we'd have to take on. That's our #1, #2, #6 & #19 prospects and we could throw in another arm or bat if they really pushed. I know a lot of you guys don't want to give up Thor and neither do I, but with the emergence of DeGrom, we have the starting pitching depth to handle a trade like this and still have a top rotation with:
1. Harvey
2. Wheeler
3. Niese
4. DeGrom
5. Gee
6. Colon?
7. Matz
8. Verrett
9. Ynoa
10. Mazzoni
11: Fulmer
12. Pill
Anonymous
Yes I do change my mind weekly. Because it's fun to do it. My approach is different than others. I've explained my approach. Read it at your own risk!
Closer...
That's the cool thing, right? I come up with a list of 18 possible future starters, and like a late nite $19.95 commercial, "Wait, there's MORE!". I agree with you on a lot of those names, I left guys like Fulmer and Tapia and Koch off due to too much inconsistency for an extended period. Especially if the first 2 fix that, they're on the list, although I'm betting Tapia and Fulmer go to the pen.
Grieves me to not add Mateo, whose ascent pre-Tommy John was really exciting. But after a handful of short outings, I believe he has not pitched since July 19, so not sure what is going on there...either hurt again, or given a break before resuming to reduce the risk of a setback. I thought about adding Lara, but held off for now, just to see more positive production from him...he likely will see at least some major league time eventually, IMO.
Peavey and lots of good minor league arms, but the mid to high 90s crew hurt the softer tossers' chances of crossing the major league threshold. Only so many slots. I wish Walters a good recovery, but my brother Steve saw him pre-injury and was not impressed. He has an eye for pitchers, so he's off my list for now.
Thanks again for your constructive comments
Tulo trade: I'm open to it if he is not going to be injury-impaired. I'd hate to do it with Thor and Rafael, maybe a lower minor prospect and a Gee or, better, a Niese instead of Montero. Matz will be our lefty soon, health-willing, and Niese seems like a guy to move before he deteriorates.
As for now, I am hoping for a Flores/MDD offense boost, and hoping Terry let's them play. I think trade needs will become clearer before season' end. We'll have the surplus to do some trade damage!
Great list, even if you cut your list down to 1/5 of that, it would be impressive. Thumbs up to Sandy and Omar for loading up.
My only issue is 40 man roster spots so we don't lose anyone for nothing in December.
I have to say that I agree about church and Meisner ,as both have struggled early on this season and are FINALLY coming around. But church should of had no trouble all yr ,as K-port he should of breezed thru. His ERA at one time was over 9.0 which is ridiculous ,as for Meisner I kinda understand pitching on a bigger stage in NYC and only being 19,that kid has come a long way and held his own,even after some bad starts he never gave up and is getting his shit together with back to back wins and lowering his ERA , let's see how they both finish b4 we give praise or discount them
Mr. Brennan,
I would like to know why Guillorme is still a C? He hit .381/409/452 during last 10 games.
Also you wrote about his 10 errors on your last list. Please check this fielding statistics:
Rosario 51/210/58/136/16/19/.924/3.80 (G/Ch/PO/A/E/DP/Fld%/RF/G)
Ramos 38/156/54/ 94/ 8/ 18/.949/3.89 (G/Ch/PO/A/E/DP/Fld%/RF/G)
Guillorme 40/218/60/148/10/29/.954/5.20 (G/Ch/PO/A/E/DP/Fld%/RF/G)
Comparing all these numbers, Don't you think he should be higher in your list?
Blake, exactly right. Guys can struggle, then they can click big time like Dekker, who impressed me a lot today (a lot more if he keeps his tow on the bag in the 9th of course). Church and Meisner may both be at the start of real spurts...hopefully.
Hey Anon, thanks for asking about Luis G.
I cut off my stats this week on 8/7, a day before Luis G went 5 for 6. Those sorts of bust out days have a huge impact - let's see next week for Looie.
I noted Luis' errors because thru 8/7, his offense was mediocre, so I looked at his reputed top notch glove (which is supposed to be his strong point) as a plus or minus - 10 errors did not help him. 5 hits on 8/8 might.
Normally, I don't focus on a lower minor guy's D - case in point, early minors Lagares D at SS was awful, frankly - and look at him now, albeit as a CF. Night and day. Guys down in lower minors often make a lot of errors, but it often resolves itself as they mature and put in the work needed.
Murphy is a similar example, but on the big stage. I focus much more on the bat unless I hear that a guy like Aderlin Rodriguez is a poor fielder and unlikely to ever be a good one. If I were doing high minors reviews, all aspects (O, D, speed) are critical for future promotions.
Have a great night.
Thomas -
Talked to a 'source'
Guillorme was playing with sprained wrist (wrapped) which did limit his game between 7-16 and 7-26 (left hand) Remember, he jits left.
much better the last 8 days though
'jits' means hits
Thanks for that update on Luis wrist sprain, Mack. Along with Luis' 5 for 6 breakout hitting performance late last week, I will definitely take that into account when I re-rank these guys. Luis could well be moving up in my rankings this week.
I wish the Mets made it a little more transparent when minor league guys are hurt, as to their status. Maybe it is too much to expect updates on an injury that is not really serious (e.g., in terms of lost time), like Luis Guillorme's, is. But another Luis, Mateo, has not pitched in weeks, and it should be clearer without referring to "sources" as to whether this formerly highly ranked Mets prospect had a post Tommy John relapse or is just being shut down for a bit, etc.
Unless I just missed it, I've seen nothing on Mr. Mateo since his last relief outing on July 19.
Mack, if you know anything on Mateo, I'd appreciate it if you could find out, if you can.
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