1/5/18

Q and A - Any Starters Out There?



Reese Kaplan asks –

We’re still waiting for someone to be signed by the Mets, including the possibility of adding another starting pitcher.

            Should we, and do you have any suggestions?


Eddie Corona says –

I am one of many fans who takes issues with the Wilpons and their spending limitations: however, I am not a spend for spending sake. Who in this free agent class is really worth spending on? I would barely argue Wade Davis and he's already off the board. JD Martinez but he is 30 and while a very good player not worth the salary he is asking with only 1 year at 45 HR's... Eric Hosmer would be someone to consider however we have 2 of our top prospects that play 1b so why commit any dollars to that position.

So this year I am advocating NOT spending any long term significant salaries to any free agents... You want to sign a Lance Lynn or Alex Cobb to reasonable 3 year  for 10 million dollar per salary where that is what the market bears (heck Bartolo costed that) sure because our staff has proven to be so fragile. But that to me that isn't committing real dollars and If it was more than that I would pass...

No instead spend when the player is worth it... If next year Harper, Machado or Donaldson are free agents (and the first 2 are Boras clients) then spend what it takes to get them. PERIOD... They are young, in their prime and franchise players... I would be willing to wait for that over spending on Moustakis or Cain who scream to be the next Curtis Granderson or Jason Bay... No, spend wisely and for value...

For all the hatred for Beltran how could anyone argue that signing. But how did Tom Glavine, Bay, Granderson and countless others turn out... Average at best and I think average would be a compliment.

My wish would have been trade for Stanton and take all that contract... but that ship sailed... Would that contract be a risk? Yes of course but you would be buying a Bentley not a Hyundai (which makes very nice car I might add)...
Pass on this free agent class, Save your 12 million dollars and if we actually are in the race and a opportunity is out there to land a Huge fish at the deadline well don't make money a issue...

Mike Friere says -

If you take a casual look at the Mets' current roster, you would come away thinking that they have a surplus of pitchers both in the bullpen and in the starting rotation.  That was the thought last year, prior to the excessive amount of injuries that greatly contributed to the "train wreck" that 2017 turned out to be.  If you take a closer look, the only healthy starting pitcher that the Mets are counting on for their 2018 rotation is Jacob DeGrom.

The rest of the projected starters (Syndergaard, Matz, Harvey and Wheeler) are all talented, but are also huge question marks.  Yes, there is depth behind them on the roster and additional depth not too far away in the minor leagues.  However, are any of the pitchers that make up our "depth" good enough to pitch at the top of the rotation in 2018?

I don't think so and I also am not confident that ALL of the projected starters will be healthy and/or effective this year.  So, the short answer is that I would like to see the Mets sign a veteran starter on a short term deal that will be a dependable source of starts when one of the other starters invariably goes down for part or all of 2018.

My vote would be for someone like Lance Lynn, perhaps?   Maybe a two year deal to slot into the middle of the rotation, so we can move Wheeler to the bullpen (where he belongs, IMO) or move someone like Harvey in a trade for a different piece of the puzzle.

Mack says –

            Only if the health of our ‘Big 8’are once again in question.

In a strange sense, we may have too much pitching. A healthy rotation of Syndergaard, deGrom, Harvey, Matz, and Wheeler could force Gsellman, Lugo, and Wheeler to the pen, with Familia, Ramos, Blevins, and Swazak.

Not the worst thing that could happen.

(the more I think about this, I want Sandy to take the rest of the money the Wilpons have given to him and go get that third baseman from the Yanks)

Tom Brennan says –

Despite many hand-wringers in Metsville, I think this team, with normal health, will be competitive in 2018 - because the pitching should be drastically better - but the offense needs to be boosted back to 2017 levels if the Mets expect that to be a reality.  From that vantage point, what would I do, if I owned the team and knew I was also competing for entertainment dollars against the Yankee team that will most likely get the most attendance and media attention in 2018? 

Stretch the doggone budget and sign Moustakas, and Cain or Bruce. Then win the NL East Division.

Reese Kaplan says –


If the club is going to stay within the published budgetary limits for 2018, then I have reversed my position and say no.  They have five starters plus Rafael Montero, Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellman, all of whom were mishandled by the previous regime.  The limited funds would be better spent on an outfielder and/or another reliever.  I'm assuming in 2019 when Matt Harvey leaves there are options of Corey Oswalt, Chris Flexen and Marcos Molina near ready in the pipeline.  That's six extra starters and that would seem sufficient with a new approach to conditioning and pitching prowess.  

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thomas, like that advice column today on minor league hopefuls doing all it takes to succeed at the MLB level to become their own best. Well done!

I mentioned Juan, Wilmer, and Brandon yesterday. Of the three, I really do think that only Nimmo has a legit shot at becoming an everyday starting player here. He is exceedingly unique, well anchored, and has too the skills to be something very special here starting one day soon. Although Brandon hits me as being just on a slower train to arrivel than most. I urge patience with him. He will arrive.

The other two we have seen for like five seasons apiece. They are what I like to call "Tweeners", between being a true starting player and being a utility one. I do not see that changing immediately. However, they could work into a platoon player situation and I would not rule that out. But the other half of their platoon would have to be even better, just in case. Sometimes real heavy competition between players is the driver for such a "Tweener" to step it up.

Another player that falls clearly into this "Tweener" description is catcher Travis d'Arnaud. And since this is not the NHL with goalies, I'd much rather opt for a sincere starting catcher. Travis is fine off the bench playing maybe 1/5 - 1/4 of the games. But at his age and for the length of time we have seen him here (even occasionally healthy) I do not see him being a true starting player. But wish I did. It's up to him.

What's really with these three "Tweeners" in my best estimation. I see their skill set and it is there. They hustle while playing, they can get the job done, so what is the matter here with them. Why are they not sincere everyday consistent players then?

Good question Thomas, and thanks for asking it. All I can come up with is their individual mental approaches to this game and starting itself. Something is like a block to their success. Sure each one could hit the weight room harder possibly. That would strengthen their upper body and believe it or not boost their own natural testosterone level, making each one more aggressive at the plate. But I see with each, a "possible mental block" to being all that they can personally become. However, each player may have a different block and not the same one. I have seen this so many times before, even with people I knew in college.

It is the difference between "accepting" that a player is a second string player and not a true starter. Another good example to me was Mets OF Kevin Mitchell. All four of these "Tweeners" are/were very good, really good in spurts. But when it comes to being out there every game, something happens with them.

I like these "Tweeners" a lot actually. But for any one of them to become an everyday starting player in the bigs, they will have to discover that thing that is holding them back from reaching out for the brass ring of being an everyday player.

Can they? A: I think so. But it takes a really mature individual to be able to figure this all out. That block could be anything, their past, some loudmouth reporter, a lack of confidence...Anything.

I am fine with each one being a utility player here, they seem comfortable with doing that, or even a platoon player. But until they can unwrap their own unique block, this may be all each one can ever be. Although it ain't so bad if you think about all the baseball players that never even made it that far.

Anonymous said...

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(I enjoy the Hot Stove time of the year. And sometimes good trade ideas can get noticed.)

I still think the Red Sox have a long road to catchup with everything the Yankees have accomplished this off season. Without so far getting a monster HR player added-in, the Red Sox should be concentrating also on acquiring one more potential top-end starter. Reason being the 2017 season of the Price not being so right.

So one mo' time...

Mets send Steven Matz and Matt Harvey (man about town) to the Red Sox for OF Bryce Brentz and lefty Jay Groome.

Then my second trade idea...

Mets send Matz and Lagares to the White Sox for OF/3B Nicky Delmonico (age 25 with some pop to his bat) and lefty starter Brian Clark (AAA Charlotte Knights).