11/15/17

Reese Kaplan -- Reading Between the Hot Stove Lines


With the close of the 2018 season which saw tremendous power and horrendous pitching, is a sea change afoot for the Mets organization?  Obviously that flawed formula didn’t work, and not matter how you point to injuries as the key to the disaster, the fact remains that the club was flawed on many levels.

As you read the usual Hot Stove articles you get the sense that there is a little bit of momentum to the thought that a radical shift in orientation may be in the offing.  Reports have surfaced that Juan Lagares is expected to be the starting centerfielder.  No one will dispute his Gold Glove credentials and every pitcher should offer up alms to him before each game in which he plays as he’s good at keeping runs from scoring. 

What’s interesting is that Sandy Alderson has never put much value into defense, so it came as something of a surprise to hear that Lagares being given an everyday gig was somewhat surprising.  Besides his seeming inability to stay off the DL, he’s never exactly set the world afire with his bat.  In 252 ABs (a little less than half a season’s worth of effort) Lagares was good for just 3 HRs, 15 RBIs and a .250 AVG while adding 7 SBs.  Those numbers are not going to make anyone feel warm and fuzzy when he steps to the plate.  For his career over a 162 game span he would average .257/6/43/11 – again, not eyebrow raising numbers.

However, despite the modest offensive contribution, he was still worth 1.8 WAR based almost exclusively on the highlight reel quality of his defense.  With each WAR worth about $8 million then his $4.5 million salary was indeed a bargain.  Of course, that price goes up to a still worthy $6.5 million this year but next year at $9 million he’s a bit of a luxury for a defensive specialist.  If you think about it, a Buddy Harrelson or Doug Flynn never got the big bucks primarily as defensive players. Therein lies the Alderson/Wilpon appeal of the defense-first approach.  Glove men are not as expensive as hitters.

It appears there is a method to the madness here if you sift through the many reports.  First of all, the defense helps make the pitching better (and based upon what was seen last year they need all the help they can get).  Second, if regular play gives him the opportunity to demonstrate what he can do, he becomes a trade chip later in the year or in the off-season before you hit that $9 million payday. 

Second, the conversation about a corner outfielder who can also play 1st base also makes sense.  Until Michael Conforto is ready, an outfield of Yoenis Cespedes, Juan Lagares and Brandon Nimmo doesn’t exactly scream Murderer’s Row.  Consequently, for the sake of argument, a Logan Morrison or Adam Lind would enable the Mets both to provide some stop-gap offense until Conforto returns and helps them hedge their bets against a regression by Dom Smith. 

On the latter, I have to laugh at the transparency of the reports that the Mets are considering faming out Smith and taking potshots about his conditioning.  That’s obviously meant to send a message to Smith to come to camp in better shape and to win the job with a solid spring.  They know as well as everyone else does that his history is that he takes time to adjust to each new level of pitching as he advanced through the system.  He has not hit under .300 since he was 19 years old so it’s way too soon to write him off after a lackluster debut. 

Back in 1973 there was a heralded rookie who put together a rather embarrassing debut campaign of 367 ABs in which he struck out 136 times, hit just .196 but did add 18 HRs and 52 RBIs.  That man went on to the Hall of Fame – Michael Jack Schmidt.  Like Smith, he was 22 years old at the time.  He’ll be fine, but I can understand the rationale for wanting an emergency 1st base backup. 

By the way, that desire for someone who could man 1st if Smith falters suggests to me that Wilmer Flores’ Mets career may have come to an end.  It seems rather obvious to everyone that he mashes left handed pitching and has put up nice run production numbers who would not embarrass the team the way, for example, James Loney did.  His low price and his defensive liabilities make him a future DH.  He could be dealt for a position of need such as a slick fielding infielder. 


While people are clamoring for Dee Gordon (and I’ve laid out the case for Brian Dozier) I’m wondering if instead a deal for the one year remaining of Ian Kinsler’s contract makes more sense for the Mets?  He is regarded as one of the best gloves in the game and despite a subpar .236 AVG this past year he still managed to hit 22 HRs.  He might be the defensive minded player that would bridge the gap until Luis Guillorme is ready and could probably be had for relatively little depending on how much of his $11 million salary you want to pay. 

I only bring up Kinsler’s name because the health-plagued Neil Walker’s name came up and despite hoping his injury history would depress the foolish QO price tag of $17.4 million he earned last year.  Kinsler, by contrast, has been a relative ironman in his career, having logged over 600 ABs in 6 of the past 8 years.  Walker at age 32 this coming year will be looking for a multi-year deal.  Kinsler will play at age 36 and there’s no obligation beyond 2018.    Last year Kinsler was worth 2.1 WAR to Walker’s 1.5.  They average approximately the same stats – 20 HRs, 80 RBIs and .272 AVG.  Yes, Kinsler may dip as age may catch up to him, but his superior fielding and shorter term obligation may make him the shrewder play to help shore up the infield defense.

Jason Kipnis' name has also surfaced as a trade target due to the Cleveland connection and the fact that the Indians have younger players ready to step into the position.  Unfortunately Kipnis produces less offense than either Kinsler or Walker and comes at a higher price.  He has a contract that runs through 2018, 2019 and has a buyout option for 2020.  If you exercised the buyout he'd cost over $15 million per year for two years and potentially block Guillorme and his minimum wage Gold Glove talent.  

So is a team built around pitching and defense the future of the franchise with offense peppered in from Cespedes, Conforto, Rosario, Cabrera and Smith?  Do you have the pieces to pull off a Kinsler trade?  If so, your remaining needs are a top notch reliever, an innings eater starter and an outfielder.  That seems eminently doable in free agency given the limited funds available for payroll.  Would one more bat in RF and these other additions be enough to return to contention?    

20 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

Always liked Juan - he needs to stay healthy and he'll hit better (perhaps much better) in 2018. I like power, but I more generally like extreme plus tools, and his defense qualifies there.

Kinsler sounds good - depends what $$ he'd take - but iron men sometimes fall apart quickly - just ask David Wright.

Dom Smith can bowl a 300, but he better not show up weighing 300.

Unknown said...

Allegedly the Mets are interested in Otani .. most likely lip service to appease the fans .. I honestly don’t get the mechanics of his posting & why it’s so different from previous Japanese imports such as Darvish, Dice K etc

Bill Metsiac said...

Totally disagree with spending big $$$ on a guy who plays 4to's position, just for 1B insurance. I'd rather use Wilmer as backup there, or get a 3rd Catcher so that Plawecki can play 1st when Travis is behind the plate.

Or sign someone like Frazier or Headley (Keith would LOVE the latter). Corner OF is filled, and I do NOT want to see 4to in CF, at least not until he's healed.

Mack Ade said...

I find it interesting that not one other Mets blog or Mets beat reporter commented on my 'source' post that stated that Sandy was working at convincing the Wilpons to increase payroll to last year's level, or higher...

Now, we read about possible signings of the most expensive first baseman on the market (Carlos Santana) AND a possible $20mil posting fee for Otani...

But what the hell do I know...

Unknown said...

So you don’t see the Otani talk as typical Mets/Wilpon lip service ? We have seen this before then when said player signed elsewhere we get the “we made a competitive offer” or “we were the players second choice “. I’m not a knee jerk reactionist fan (I’ve been accused of being a Pollyanna at times ) but I think in the case of Otani it’s misdirection

Mack Ade said...

Ed -

I do not.

Forget the signing of Otani.

It will take a $20mil posting fee to the team/league just to get permission to talk to this guy.

THAT will determine the team that is serious.

Mack Ade said...

And Ed...

I can not remember the last time the Mets were discussed by anyone regarding a posting fee like this.

Do you?

Reese Kaplan said...

The last time they were a player for a foreign talent demanding more than chump change it was Kaz Matsui. They have not ventured into international waters since then.

Unknown said...

http://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=2662193 Back in ‘06

Reese Kaplan said...

I don't see why they would even consider Santana if not for the Callaway connection to Cleveland. For what he'll cost to deliver about 25/75/.249, hell, I'll just roll my dice on a Smith/Flores 1st base option.

Mack Ade said...

Ed -

your link makes no sense.

I took me to some story about burnt toast and NCAA basketball brackets.

What are you trying to tell me please.

bgreg98180 said...

It is not you.

It is just that the fans don't trust the Wilpons and this front office.

Many fans are tired of being disappointed and have taken a "wait and see" mentality.

Unknown said...

Sorry Mack I thought the link was working .. here is the paragraph from the article The Mets finished second with a bid between $39 million and $40 million, according to a baseball official who spoke on condition of anonymity because none of the losing bids were revealed. The Yankees bid between $32 million and $33 million, another baseball official said.
You had asked when was the last time the Mets bid for the negotiating rights to a Japanese pitcher & it was Dice K in ‘06

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Unknown said...

I’m sure your source is accurate .. I’m just hoping that Sandy can convince the Wilkins to maintain a payroll that’s competitive

Tom Brennan said...

I think they should definitely post for Otani - this guy seems to be a fully ready to go power pitcher like Syndergaard, and he would be an immediate and welcome addition to the rotation - and if he wants to occasionally play some outfield too, let him if he can truly hit.

Or they can just concede him to the Yankees like they always do when the Yanks are also interested.

Why sign some aging veteran - too often, those guys turn into Shaun Marcum disappearing acts.

Christopher Soto said...

This Otani stuff is just lip service.....there is no way possible that the Mets are going to be able to acquire him. The reason for this is simple.

AFTER every team that is interested in him puts up the maximum $20M posting fee that Nippon Ham has requested.....

Otani is still subject to the International Free Agent Signing Rules. In July, new rules went into effect that set a HARD CAP on how much each team can spend on IFA players.

For the Mets, they have been very active in signing Dominican and Venezuelan prospects this season thus only have about $105k left that they can offer before hitting the cap.

This is compared to the Rangers, Yankees, and Twins......who have all been quiet this season.....who each have about $3M+ to offer Otani. After that, Pittsburgh has about $2M, everyone else has $1M or less to offer.

Personally, my money is on the Minnesota Twins signing him due to the fact that they are also after Yu Darvish who Otani idolizing and based his pitching style from.

Viper said...

Sandy is just doing his usual yearly BS job. Interest in Otani, Interest in Santana, all of a sudden, defense is important to the mad Genius.

But if the pattern holds, the Mets will get another 2B or 1B and a reliever. And maybe, just maybe a #4 type innings eater starter which kind of makes you think, "why bother"

Try as he may, the Genius will duplicate what's already available in-house. If Smith is not the 1B of 2018, why is a Santana / Morrison type better when you need a place to play Flores who can give you the same production?

How can someone convince me that someone who once played shortstop now doesn't even have the range to play 1B? The problem with Flores is not his hands, he normally catches the ball. It was his throws from 3B that would sail wasn't it? most of his errors were while throwing or is my memory failing me? If he is at 1B, that problem goes away.

Isn't Flores a perfect bridge to Alonso? doesn't Flores to 1B open up a spot for TJ, Cecchini, Guillorme in 2018?

If the Mets want to make believers of us, the fans, go out and sign Darvish, Reed, Moustakas, Hosmer (since they won't ever believe in Flores). But that's a pipe dream.



The Mets instead will say they are open to signing most of the best players available and will end up with the Colon's, Dickey types.

Mack Ade said...

I'm just saying there is an attempt 2 get ownership to spend at levels higher than 150mil

Reese Kaplan said...

T.J. Rivera may be out for at least half of 2018 due to his TJS, though for an infielder making the short throw from 2B it's not as critical as it would be for a pitcher. No one knows what they have in Cecchini because he was never put into the lineup last year to find out.

My priorities in order are:

Starting Pitching
Relief Pitching
Outfielder
Infielder

Note that 1st baseman is not on this list. Just say "No" to Carlos Santana and his evil ways.