Many times Mets fans have read articles or held beer-fueled
debates over the All Time Mets team. Who
was the best at each position to wear a Mets uniform? Would you take Gooden over Seaver? Hernandez over Delgado? (My personal choice
is the sometimes forgotten John Olerud.)
McGraw over Franco? You know the
drill.
However, I got to thinking about just the opposite. Who were the worst players ever to put on the
orange and blue? Now you have to
establish some ground rules here (and they have to be a bit more rigid than you
would have on the positive side of the ledger).
If a player appears in 2/3s of the team’s games as a starter, he would
have accumulated 432 plate appearances.
Then the following season he would have to achieve at least half that
total – at least 648 plate appearances over two consecutive years in Mets
laundry would qualify a hitter. My logic
here is if someone is a semi regular starter and produces poorly but is brought
back in that role again and flops a second time, he will eventually get the
hook and no longer be a starter. That
leaves out folks like Charlie O’Brien who were never really asked to carry the
load of a regular in the lineup.
For starting pitchers I’m using 20 starts as the waterline
for season 1 and 10 starts for season 2.
For relievers (closers, not setup guys) at least 30 GF and then 15 GF in
year two. Sorry, all you Mel Rojas fans
out there, I don’t think the man would qualify.
Let’s throw some nominations out there at each position and
then open it up to debate.
1B – Believe it or not, Steady Eddie Kranepool may get the
dubious honor in this regard. He didn’t
become somewhat skilled with the bat until his starting days were long
over.
2B – Doug Flynn stands on his own here. His one passable season gave him 4/61/.243
but that was an outlier. He was great
with the glove but I’m willing to bet there were more lethal pitchers with a
bat in their hands that were his teammates.
Narrowly missing the cut was Brian Giles who, based on his stellar 1980
campaign hitting .210 was awarded the starting job and responded with a .245
season with 2 HRs and 27 RBIs – kind of an Eric Young type of existence without
the lofty stolen base totals.
SS – The first name that popped into my head was Jose
Oquendo but alas he didn’t make the fans suffer in enough games to
qualify. Rey OrdoƱez did. So did Kevin Elster and Bud Harrelson. Mike Phillips also makes this list as a
contender supplanting Bud Harrelson as the primary starter. You may have a mental block when it comes to
others like Dick Schofield who was the starter for an entire season, delivering
a .205 average.
3B – The red headed Wayne Garrett gets the nod here. His steady 3rd base presence over
the course of eight seasons in Queens were consistent with his lifetime average
of just .239.
LF – Eric Young, Jr. qualifies but I’m wondering if his SB
totals outweighs the rest of his offensive ineptitude. As a Met he has a 2 HRs and 43 RBIs with a
.241 AVG. The hitting wouldn’t be quite
as bad but that’s a total over two years!
Of course, when you factor in cost, no one can hold a candle to Jason
Bay. Timoniel “Timo” Perez inexplicably
started for most of 3 years, too.
CF – Don Hahn hung around over 4 years but didn’t have the
plate appearances to qualify. I’d nominate
Elliott Maddox, the steady outfielder (and 3rd baseman) who while
playing for the NY Yankees once had arguably the emptiest .300 season in the
history of the game, accompanied by 3 HRs, 45 RBIs and 6 SBs. So he had no power, no speed and didn’t drive
in runs yet somehow managed to succeed in his task 3 out of 10 times. Unfortunately by the time he got to the Mets
that hitting took a severe downward trend and his best totals for the
Metropolitans in 1980 with 3/34/.246
with 1 stolen base.
RF – The El Paso Chihuahua’s own Jeff Francoeur gets my
selection here. For two years fans
waited to see him throw the ball from right field because at the plate he was
never able to capture that hot streak that started his career down at Turner
Field. Curtis Granderson was causing
some Jason Bay flashbacks earlier this season but he’s not been here long
enough to qualify for consideration yet.
Jeromy Burnitz makes the nominees list though it was a successful career
between two unsuccessful Mets stints.
C – Jerry Grote was a glove-first catcher back when that’s
what nearly all of them were…but he endured for a very long time behind the
dish, finishing his pre-cattle rustling career with a .252 average – just about
replacement level. In between the long
and impressive tenures of Gary Carter, Mike Piazza, Todd Hundley and even Paul
Lo Duca there were any number of shared catchers who, if they had the ABs to
qualify, would surely make this list. My
other nominee to consider is Josh Thole.
SP – These choices are more visceral than numbers-based but
you would have to consider Oliver Perez and Mike Pelfrey near the top of these
lists. However, if it’s purely a numbers
thing then the early teams had a lot of hurlers who racked up a great many L’s,
but those totals have to take into account the motley crew playing behind them. A dishonorable mention goes to record setter
Anthony Young who once lost 27 games in a row.
RP – Perhaps the most vitriolic reaction any Mets pitcher
ever received was that of sidearmer Doug Sisk.
He actually produced some very good overall numbers despite the
inevitable meltdowns. He had seasons
with ERAs of 1.04, 2.24 and 2.09 before his horrific 1985 campaign in which he
did manage to finish 22 games with a 5.30 ERA, a 1.76 WHIP and somehow he
managed to walk significantly more people than he struck out. He rebounded with seasons of 3.06 and 3.46
the next two years but the damage had been done and he was sent packing to the
Braves. Armando Benitez posted some
very lofty save totals while in a Mets uniform – 41, 43 and 33 during three
years as the full time closer – but was known to choke at the worst possible
moments. His ERA during his 43 save
season was a bit high for a closer at 3.77 but his other two years they were
quite good at 2.61 and 2.27. Still, if
you polled people on the players they hated most on the Mets, he’s surely be in
the top 5.
Manager – Well, there are a great many choices here of men
who foundered and men who lost games they should have won. Terry Collins is an obvious nominee, as are Dallas Green, Jeff Torborg and Art Howe.
So who were the all-time worst Mets in your opinions?
12 comments:
you got my vote on Frenchy
The list truly is endless.
I go with Ike Davis for single-handedly torpedoing 2012 and 2013 in its fragile early stages. Ownership rescued him from pulling off a trifecta in 2014 by turning him into Long John Silver.
I thought long and hard about Ike Davis but he did have that one commendable season. Nothing early in Ed Kranepool's career as a starter even came close.
Jim Hickman was an early favorite...terrible with Mets in the '60's, followed (naturally) by a sesational season with the Cubs.
Sad to see Eddie Kranepool on your list. While easily a Guiness entry for the “longest mediocre career with one club,” he had a 4-year stretch, 1973-77, which trumps anything Willie Montenez could muster except HR’s (even there, Ed’s SLG in all 4 beat Willie’s highet of 2).
Another oldie who did little in his 3 years with the Mets: SS Roy McMillan.
3 years, 346 games, 1225 plate appearances, .226/.269/.275. But oh, that glove!
Clearly the worst manager of the Mets bar none was Joe Torre and then there were the managers that were bad matches for assembled team like George Bamberger, Jeff Torborg, and Art Howe. Buddy Harrelson needs to get a dishonorable mention as manager as well.
Casey got the most out of his teams - first team should havw won 30 - so he had a WAR of 10!
Disagree there, Thomas. Casey was past taking the game seriously. Maybe it's hard to blame him withe talent he had, but Richie Ashburn sure did.
I will defer to you on that one, Hobie. I was trying to put a plug in for Mr. Stengel. Imagine him managing this team today. 10 more years of rebuilding!
I'd take him over Terry Collins.
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