San Diego
designates OF Jeff Francoeur for assignment.
Beelzebot
asked -
Hey Mack,
There was some buzz online yesterday about Mejia having a hernia and wanting to
play through it the rest of the year. I
have not seen any articles on any major sites about that, however, it would
explain a lot about his recent performance.
My question is: Who is making
these decisions in this organization? I
do not think he should throw another pitch until he gets it fixed. If the hernia throws off how he lands on the
mound, that could potentially cause other injuries. Does the medical staff not think about this
stuff? I am not a trainer but I have
done enough various sports, martial arts for example, that I know even a little
tweak in one spot can lead to a chain reaction of other injuries. I am kind of speculating because like I said,
I did not see anything other than on Twitter.
Maybe I am overreacting but how this team is run is frustrating. (I did not even touch on the deGrom mystery
shoulder issue that is "not a big deal".) – BT
Mack –
Hey BT
The
final say on who plays and who doesn’t is the trainer, but the player needs to
tell the trainer what is going on first. It seems like both the trainer and the
manager were in on the injury here so there is no story.
Players
don’t like to admit they are hurting especially on teams that tend to assign
long periods of healing time. The admission of a hernia first falls on the
player and baseball is sort of split on whether a player should play their way
through it (R.A.
Dickey won the Cy Young while pitching through one). I
agree with you that he should spend some time healing, especially if the injury
happens in a year that you are not in a pennant race.
I’m
not sure this one falls on Terry
Collins. Even Collins
would have no say if the trainer wanted Mejia to sit this out.
Just some random thoughts...
No one liked the third game of the 4-game Philadelphia series that just ended. If I told you the Mets would leave Philly with a 3-1 result from this series, you would be quite satisfied.
No one liked the third game of the 4-game Philadelphia series that just ended. If I told you the Mets would leave Philly with a 3-1 result from this series, you would be quite satisfied.
Some
here debate whether or not the Mets are still in a pennant or wild card race. I
don’t. But, that being said, they went into the AA-Star break 8-2 and have
played 12-12 through this series. That’s 20-14 in the last 34 games. That’s a
pace of 95 wins over a full 162 game schedule.
Last night's game against Washington quickly reminds us that we aren't in the same class with the Nationals. The sucked for so many years, and drafted so well, it was only a matter of time they would put together a decent team.
They also have ownership that's not afraid to spend a buck, but that's a whole post on its own.
The strange thing is after all those home runs last night, the Mets are still only 6 games back for a Wild Card slot.
Last night's game against Washington quickly reminds us that we aren't in the same class with the Nationals. The sucked for so many years, and drafted so well, it was only a matter of time they would put together a decent team.
They also have ownership that's not afraid to spend a buck, but that's a whole post on its own.
The strange thing is after all those home runs last night, the Mets are still only 6 games back for a Wild Card slot.
I
especially liked the comments from Keith
Hernandez during
the fourth game of the Philadephia series. As much as we all hold our breath when a ball
is hit to Wilmer
Flores, Hernandez pointed
out how he loves the way Flores is hitting the ball, regardless of result. The
same praise went out for Matt
den Dekker and
his new swing.
A
great portion of this game is mental and it helps if you go to work every day
and know you’re going to play. There’s a real small sample here on den Dekker,
but I really like the new look. I’m not sure if the team needs another
outfielder without pop, but he sure looks like a future trade chip.
I
share the thoughts of Bob
Gregory about
being sick of talking all the time about the future of this team, but I never
tire about the improved play and unexpected accomplishments of minor leaguers
at the major league level.
I
can’t wait to be proven wrong about my original long ranged projections of dD.
The
post-game period after Monday’s win against Philadelphia was ‘good news, bad
news’ for Mets pitchers. The doctor’s diagnosis for Jacob deGrom put him on the disabled list,
but tendonitis was a much better diagnosis than the one given on Jeremy Hefner.
‘Hef’
may never have been a projected rotation pitcher for the Mets, but this is a
big potential long-relief lost for the 2015 staff.
I
hope a couple of things are learned here.
First,
I’d like Matt
Harvey to cool his jets
and slow down the increased amount of pitches off the mound. Add 30 more days
to the rehab program. What the hell. You’ll still be ready for opening day.
(this was originally written before Sandy Alderson's press conference on late Tuesday afternoon where he confirmed my wishes and said that Harvey will most probably be limited to bullpen sessions and will skip Instruction ball...)
(this was originally written before Sandy Alderson's press conference on late Tuesday afternoon where he confirmed my wishes and said that Harvey will most probably be limited to bullpen sessions and will skip Instruction ball...)
Secondly,
I’d like to see deGrom stay on the DL for the remainder of the regular season.
I don’t need to show this kid off anymore. He’s part of my five-man rotation in
2015.
And
lastly, I’d like to see Rafael
Montero finish
the season as the rotation replacement for deGrom. I know it seemed that he had a bad outing last night, but it really was three bad pitches. I can’t think of a lose
situation here. He will either be very successful and become a major trade chip
in the off-season, or he will create a possible scenario where he joins the
Mets pen next season.
Michael
Scannell to me re: Matt Reynolds -
What's the
scoop on this kid? Does he have an MLB
bat? Will we see him this year?
Mack –
It’s so hard to say. Could be.
This
kid really developed out of nowhere (???). He hit .226 last year in 433 at-bats
for St. Lucie, which followed a .259 in Savannah the year before. The good news
sometimes is players like Juan
Lagares and
Matt den Dekker take the time to improve their
game as they mature and grow into their mid-twenties. Now, all of a sudden
Reynolds hits .355 in AA-ball and now is producing in the .330 range in Vegas.
Defensively,
he’s better then Wilmer
Flores at short, but that
may not be enough.
Michael,
I just don’t know about this guy. I never hear anything about him from the Mets
coaches or the scouts. I mean, let’s give him all the credit he’s due for a
great year, but I really think you are going to see Tulo in Queens next year in
a package built around Syndergaard.
42 comments:
Scannell,
Everything you need to know is in his prospect page on the right hand side of the site page.
I hate to rain on the parade of those who thought we were promised that 2014 would be the year, but my guess is that 2015 wont be the year either. too many pitchers on innings limits and not enough help on the way in the field, so next year will be another "step forward" but no playoffs. that being said, the future in 2016 and for at least 3 years (if not more) look extremely bright for the Mets. I am in the minority, but I do not favor any trades that involve Crown Jewels. I like a mid-tier SS signing that does not cost a draft pick and a Melky Cabrera type placeholder in the OF until either Comforto or Nimmo is ready. This team needs a competent offense, not a juggernaut with the staff they are on the cusp of assembling. Assuming continuing development of what is on the rise, move Colon, Niese, Gee and Murphy in the middle of next season to stock up on quality prospects and make one big move after 2015 and this team may be in a position to top the standings for 5 years. just my opinion
Anon -
Well, I'm not sure what year the Mets will have the players needed.
Under the current financial plan... hmm
Christopher -
Michael Scannell sent me an emal and asked me my opinion on Reynolds.
Well I guess they aren't drawing to well at the box office again this year, so they won't have money to spend again. So we are shit out of luck again.
I only went to one home game (which is one to many) and 3 away games. They need to change their way of doing things or we will not get another championship for along time. Prospects aren't enough to get you to the promise land.
So spend some damn MONEY!!!
Money is not enough to get you to the promised land either, look at the Angels and Yankees for instance. the best player the Angels have was not acquired with money and the two big cash acquisitions (Pujols and Hamilton) have not been anywhere near worth the money spent
"I am in the minority, but I do not favor any trades that involve Crown Jewels."
Anon, your theory is not a bad one, but with the decline of Wright, we really do need a better offensive big bat to carry this team. Wright is very streaky and when he's down, everyone else is down too.
"stock up on quality prospects and make one big move after 2015 and this team may be in a position to top the standings for 5 years. just my opinion"
While this is a bit contradictory to your previous statement, only in the sense that if you are going to make a big move, you certainly will have to give something up to get something big.
Also, I may be in the minority, but I think we have more than you think we do in the minor leagues to make that one big move THIS offseason and still be in good shape on the farm going forward. I am by no means a Mets homer, but if you take a look at our farm system and compare to some other teams, we have a top 5-10 system behind teams like Cubs, Pirates, Twins, Astros and around the same with Red Sox, since they just added some pieces at the deadline.
On top of that, some of the guys we could package may not have a future with us anyway, Plawecki (D'Arnaud), Flores (where to play him), Montero (bullpen?), Reynolds (Murphy@2B) and of course Syndergard, where we've heard what he can be, but he's still only 21 and who knows what he could be, I'm looking for someone that I already know what they are, especially with our SP depth.
No one wants to give up Thor and if we can get someone like Tulo (seems like I'm the only guy who actually wants him, which is surprising to me) without giving him up, I'm all for it, but if you were the Colorado GM, would you move him without getting back another teams #1 prospect?
If I'm trading anyone, I want the best collection of players I can get. Holding out for a team's #1 prospect wouldn't be a requisite, but if I'm not getting Thor from the Mets I'd want deGrom and Montero to start.
Closer/Michael -
First of all, I want Tulo also. I never understood people who say they don't want superstars... Tulo, Cruz, CarGo... what do you want, them on other teams and your team full of inferior players?
Michael, I'm doing a Morning Report tomorrow on the banged up rotation and why Syndergaard is, right now, the only pitcher the Mets could get a top return for.
He projects at the SP1/2 level... but because he still hasn't ever thrown a pitch at the MLB level, he's a risk to either the Mets (if they keep him) or another team (if they trade for him).
What he can bring are players you can slot RIGHT NOW into your major league lineup
Now I know there are a lot of people out there that don't want to break up this dream... hell, sometimes I think I invented it... but that's all it is... a dream for a team that isn't making the playoffs again.
The Mets need bats.
The real letdowns here were David Wright, Chris Young, and Curtis Granderson. They were supposed to bring to the table 75 home runs this year.
There's no perfect scenario here, but continually promoting marginal prospects from Las Vegas isn't the answer
Mack
thanks for the mention in your morning report.
Besides the trainer. .. aren't Collins & Alderson ultimately the final say on players playing with injury?
How many times over the past few years have players on this team been cleared by trainers, pushed themselves into playing more, and then hurt their performance (ex.- Wright)?
How many pitchers, not just on the Mets but in the league and minors have to get hurt just to hear before the devastating injury they didn't feel quite right ahead of it?
Isn't it becoming obvious that pitchers are seriously injuring themselves by over-exertion?
Injuries to a pitcher's midsection and legs will effect their stamina, strength, and follow through. This can lead to lesser results that a young pitcher is likely to push harder to put more speed or spin on the next pitch or just more pitches during an inning.
Collins & Alderson both have the ability to rest Mejia regardless of what the trainer says. Alderson more so given the way the Mets are managed.
Can anyone guarentee that Tulo can at least play 135-140+ games a year, because he ain't doin it lately ?
Bob -
Well, 'by the book' it's still the trainer, but managers do sometimes step in and let hurt players play...
I think the most fault in all this still lies on the players.
Baseball players simply don't tell people in authority that they are hurt. Lost time is like being sent to the back of the bus.
And, there isn't a pitcher in the game that doesn't get pissed when the manager comes to the mound. They never want to leave.
Ernest -
Ya know what, no I can't...
so I'll just stay with the 162 games a year that Tejada and Flores will split there.
I can't believe fans who are still fixed on Tulo being a Mets next year. Has anyone noticed that he is hurt yet again? His value to the Mets is staying healthy and if he can't do that, he is just another problem player.
We may not make the P-S this year, but we're 3.5 behind the Braves for 2nd in the division. If we can catch them and finish at. 500 I'll consider this a successful season. Next year I want more.
I think the combination of the last two comments here pretty much sum up what it's like for me some times...
one is happy if the team reaches meh levels while the other doesn't want the best shortstop in the game on the team.
Mack
I agree. You can't wait for the player to determine injury.
And yes I believe if the trainer deems a player injured or at risk it is highly unlikely that a player will play.
My point is that the trainer may say a player can play but Collins & Alderson can choose to rest the player anyway in order to be extra cautious.
And I believe should have done so already with Mejia
Lol.....hey Mack, im just thinking ahead to the first time Tulo and his $100+mil contract would hit the DL as a Met next year............im guessing this site would have a few negative comments about that contract, and about Sandy's dumb decision to convince ownership to trade the farm for him...
Mack, I can post now, FYI.
I am all for Tulo if the consensus is he will hold up. I flipped over to Yank game the other night and saw Nelson Cruz hit a BOMB, his 31st, and really thought of the huge mistake going for Chris Young
"Can anyone guarentee that Tulo can at least play 135-140+ games a year, because he ain't doin it lately?"
Nope, I can't even guarantee that Matt Harvey will throw a pitch next year, see Jeremy Hefner, let alone be the CY Young winner, which is what everyone expects from him.
"I can't believe fans who are still fixed on Tulo being a Mets next year. Has anyone noticed that he is hurt yet again? His value to the Mets is staying healthy and if he can't do that, he is just another problem player."
I mentioned this a few weeks ago, but Colorado is a tough play to play when it comes to injuries. I'll find the link, but they are typically in the top of the league in DL days due to the thin air being harder to get stretched out and to recover from. My guess is that he wouldn't be on the DL as much as he was in Colorado.
Also, the obvious is that 135 games with Tulo is still better than Ruben Tejada can produce in 500 games, besides showing the fan base that we're ready to compete and be a force behind Wright in the middle of the order. Everyone points out the DL time but what about when he's not on the DL? He's a SUPERSTAR SS that will do SOO much for this organization. Geez, keep Tejada around to play SS the 30 games we're assuming he'll miss and he can hit .220, while batting 8th.
Tulo would be the Keith/Gary pickups for the 86' team and put us over the top, along with bringing in a LF bat to hit in the middle of the order. Obvious problem is $$$$$$$$$$$ since the players are available (Cruz, Markakis, Tomas, Cabrera, Castillo) for LF.
You could consider going after Hanley Ramirez, which would cost you the same as Tulo (plus 1st rd pick) and he spends even more time on the DL than Tulo. I'd still prefer Tulo since he's hands down the best SS bat in baseball, of course I'd want him. Who would you rather have playing SS, while still expecting the win a World Series, since you know that's the goal right?
Bob -
Hernia's are a tough call.
R A Dickey pitched through one the year he won the Cy Young award.
I agree with you but trainers seem split on the issue.
Me? I wouldn't risk anyone about nuthin' anymore this season. I would shut down anyone who is 'hurting' and play guys like Wright only 2/3rds of the games left.
One more thing about a Tulo trade...
I can guarantee you EVERY person the Mets send to Colorado for Tulo's service has never played a game in Queens....
which, in the real world means this team has lost nothing...
don't fall in love with your prospects
Thomas + Closer -
The one thing that The Closer finally mentioned does come into play.
The money.
Do you know that Stephen Drew is STILL going to wind up in the $14-15mil a year range next year?
If the Wilpons aren't willing to join the 21st Century we should all turn off our computers and take up knitting
Hey Mack. ......ding ding ding !!!!!!!!
Ownership is not gonna take on a Tulo type contract unless they get Sandy to first trade Murphy, colon and Granderson. .............just sayin.
Ernest -
Yeah, you're right...
Where are my darning needles???
" Ownership is not gonna take on a Tulo type contract unless they get Sandy to first trade Murphy, colon and Granderson. .............just sayin."
Let Sandy worry about that problem. Murphy and Colon are easy moves and could garner a decent return, but i don't think Granderson is a must trade, nor is he going to get moved and we would still be I the $90-$100 range depending on what we did with LF.
This is doable to make this team a championship contender THIS offseason, while still not mortgaging the future. We can start with an August trade of Colon for two top 20 team prospects and let Montero finish the year inQueens and/or bring up Dice K, Lannan, etc. to lock up a bottom 11 pick.
Oh and Bob, agreed, SHUT Mejia and DeGrom down already!! We have nothing to play for, except for a bottom 11 pick to keep to protect our first round pick so we can sign a LF bat without giving up on a potential top 10-11 draft pick to restock the farm since we'll lose a few chips in an offseason trade for hopefully Tulo.
Having the so called best shortstop in the majors doesn't work if he is disabled. If the Mets are willing to trade some of the best prospects in order to get Tulo, why not trade instead for a player that can stay healthy? Is not that I don't want the Mets to improve but rather that I want the player coming in to have a history of playing more than 130 games per year since 2011.
The Mets are better served by trading for a Baez or Russell type player even if you have to wait for Russell.
Would the Rangers trade Elvis Andrus? Is Ian Desmond a free agent?
That's the type of player the Mets need. One who can stay on the field. Tulo's history is that he cannot.
Chris Young coming off the books plus a Colon trade almost cover Tulo by themselves. A Murphy deal wouldn't be necessary, the Wilpon's would only have to give the okay on a few million.
Factoring in a potential Murphy raise they might try to deal him, but moving Colon and Murphy shouldn't be difficult. Trading Granderson isn't necessary and would be near- impossible anyway.
If I learned anything watching the front office since late 2010 it's that they won't give up player AND simultaneously take on salary. You can do both -- give up players for prospects or take on salary via free agency and retain the players. Tulo and CarGo require both.
Now if you went to the Cubs and pushed hard for Javier Baez or Addison Russell you could get players for players and not take on salary. (The Cubs would push back with Castro, of course).
In the free agency arena you have players like J.J. Hardy and Jed Lowrie slated to be available who won't cost Tulo type money nor long term commitment. They're both coming off down years, so they seem right up Sandy's alley.
In the OF the smart play might be Rusney Castillo who would solve the leadoff and LF issues with no draft pick compensation.
Andrus's contract is an albatross, even compared to Tulo's. I'm sure the Rangers would deal Andrus, but what do we do about the middle of the order bat we so desperately need? We do need a lead off hitter also, so maybe this could work if Texas took on some salary.
How many games have Baez and Russell played at SS in the last 5 years? The answer is zero since they are both minor leaguers who haven't produced at the major league level. Neither of them have a history since they are all potential.
Sure, I'd love to have a guy like that in our system, but how do you expect to get either of them from Chicago? Wheeler? Sorry, he's untouchable in my book. You don't see prospect for prospect type trades too often either. Theo is a smart GM, so he might see the value, although he's said he doesnt plan on moving his young bats since they are at a premium, unless he gets blown away in a deal.
Also, do you think Andrus would sell more season tickets, more advertising blocks, more tshirts, etc. than Tulo? Tulo would bring more revenue into the Wilpons pockets, despite having to shell out some money to pay him.
"In the OF the smart play might be Rusney Castillo who would solve the leadoff and LF issues with no draft pick compensation"
Reese, while I agree with you, you and I both know that Sandy isn't going to target an IFA from Cuba or Japan. He just simply doesn't see the value, which is clearly the wrong outlook based on the results we've seen from guys like Puig, Cespedes, Chapman, Abreu, Tanaka, Darvish, etc.
They just see $50,000,000 they have to shell out and the potential for bust would explode in their faces and set this franchise back like the Bay, Santana deals did, which sadly to them outweighs the potential value they could bring. Some times you have to take a chance, a leap of faith, which isn't always calculated and concise but seems to be working out for the other teams that do so!
Closer/Reese -
I guess until the Mets operate any differently, all this is we do is comment masturbation.
Maybe I could clarify a bit on what I meant. I think that I would hold everything for now, trade Colon, Niese, Gee and Murphy in the middle of 2015 and use the return to bolster the existing inventory to make the post 2015 move. I actually follow the minor more closely than the ML team right now and I totally agree that the Farm is stocked, so I am not against moving pieces that are going to be blocked, but I just don't see the inventory ripe enough yet to get a big bat. let me be clear, it is not as if I don't WANT one, I just don't think we are yet there to get one. Also, as far as Tulo goes, I would love to have him and even settle for 135 games a year, but the latest reports out of CO are that he may have a torn labrum in his hip that will require surgery. if that is the case, then the question will answer itself because he would almost certainly miss all of 2015 and have a questionable return for 2016. He may disappear as an option before this season is up. I agree with Mack that DW off year raises concerns about the offense, but I am in the camp that a competent offense that keeps the train moving without necessarily putting the ball over the wall MAY be sufficient to win with the staff being assembled. this is actually contradicting what I said above because Murphy is exactly the type of hitter that fits the mold. What player would I part with Crown Jewels for? obviously the Stanton, Trout, McCutcheon would be great, but I don't see them moving, or any other established bat, so I would press the Cubs for Jorge Soler. again, just an opinion, but I don't see difference makers available in the off season and I think that Tulo is heading for surgery and may be out for all of 2015, so he may not be available either
Care to share those knitting needles, Mack?
I wonder how Brian Cashman would do as the gm of the Mets.
Could he push the Wilpons to spend when appropriate?
Could he create a less passive approach to player acquisition and reorganization without decimating the farm system?
Hmmm
Tulo for 120 games is better then we have now. If we had him this year we would be in the wild card
Where, oh where is Nelson Doubleday when we need him? Does Steve Ballmer want a baseball team??
Seriously, I MDD can keep going the way he is, we may be OK in LF, at least until Conforto gets here. At least our outfield defense is rock-solid, with three CF out there.
I wonder if Wright is having some flexibility problems from that broken back? Maybe that has something to do with his power loss. I don't think TC gives him enough rest. Sometimes you have to TELL a player to take a break, Captain or not. Wilmer plays a good 3B - that's his best position.
I'm going to keep pushing for Hanley. He has been healthier than Tulo and costs less. Downside is that he is worse defensively.
You can't tell me that a number one draft pick compensation for him is the same as trading away multiple guys in the organization that are already raking at the AA and AAA levels as top 100 prospects for Tulo. AAA and AA players in top 100 probably project a lot better than our number 12 pick or whatever we end up with.
Dallas, I don't anyone is claiming to not know how to do math since clearly 3/4 players is more than 1 draft pick, that part is pretty obvious.
The point is that Hanley will require a lot of money and will be harder to sign with a team like the Yankees & Dodgers needing a SS, which automatically means we're not in the running.
Tulo,will have a lot less competition given we have to give up prospects, which other teams can't compete with our assets, so we actually have an advantage, assuming the Wilpons aren't scared to take on his contract.
I'm sorry, this is just the way our favorite team does business. I'd love to sign Hanley, Cruz, Castillo, and but I'm. It naive to think our franchise will even consider that route.
On top of many of those top 100 prospects were at one point a top draft pick. Remember when we signed K-Rod and the Angels with their comp pick selected Mike Trout, that was cool, especially when we gave up K-Rod for 2 guys that were out of baseball in less than a year later due to his vesting option. Sorry, Jason Bay, Billy Wagner, ouch the pain of what would have been if we didn't flop those decisions.
I don't understant why people think Andrus has a bad contract..
He's 25 years old...270-.280 with 45 steals every year..and plays solid shortstop.
His contact pays him 14 million or so through 2020...
So basically a younger version of Jose Reyes Light.
To me, Tulo is basically on the same talent level as David Wright.
If Tulo played half his games at Citi he would be .280-.290 with 20 home runs or so.
Those are great numbers from a SS...
But I wouldn't be willing to completely gut this system for that, especially considering the injury history.
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