So, the trade deadline has come and gone with no movement for the Mets. Although the possibility exists that the team might pull off a waiver deadline trade, I’m not getting my hopes up. The team will enter the offseason looking almost exactly as it does right now. That means we can take a closer look at the potential acquisitions the team can make.
Instead of laying out an entire offseason plan, for now I’m going to focus on the free agent acquisitions I want to see the team make as well as one minor trade acquisition. I’m staying away from the bigger targets (and that one middle of the order bat) that we’d like to see because the hot stove has yet to really heat up and there’s no telling who might be available. As the next few weeks and months go by, I’ll update my ideas more, but for now I’ll stick to targets that are (or at least should be) easier to predict.
1) Sign CF Jacoby Ellsbury for 5 years and $80M.
Ellsbury solves an immediate need for the Mets. The FO’s pursuit of Michael Bourn last year shows Alderson’s recognition of the need for a top-flight leadoff hitter and CF. While EYJ and Lagares have been interesting as of late I don’t think either has the chops to be a long-term starter in the bigs. Lagares might have more of a shot than Young, but this is one position I think the team needs a proven MLB player with a solid track record. Ellsbury brings very good defense in CF, gets on base, and knows how to steal bases. He’ll bring talent to the top of the lineup that the Mets have been missing since Reyes left. I think his skill set would translate well to Citifield and he would be a core piece for the Next Mets. Of course, the Red Sox could re-sign him, although with JBJ coming up, I think they’ll look to reallocate his dollars to other areas that they need to improve. The Mets could also be outbid, but $16M per year should be sufficient for him, given what Bourn got last year and Ellsbury’s injury history.
2) Sign OF Carlos Beltran for 2 years and $20M with an option for a 3rd year.
Bringing Carlos back would be a great move at this point. He’s still producing at a high level and will likely not command an exorbitant salary given his age. I would pencil him into a corner OF position for now, waiting to see what other acquisitions might be made before locking him into RF. How sweet would it be for Mets fans to watch a winning team that includes Beltran and Wheeler, bringing that deal full circle. Instead of being THE guy this time around, he’d be a veteran hitter who is still integral to the team’s success but would have other hitters to help with the burden
3) Trade for 1B/OF Andrew Lambo of Pittsburgh.
Lambo is currently in AAA in the Pirates’ organization. He’s 24 years old (not young but not too old for his level) and has shown tremendous power this year. Projected over 600 AB’s, he’s on pace for 44HR overall btw AA and AAA and in AAA alone he projects to 51. He’s a former top-50 Baseball America prospect who has overcome suspension and injuries to finally break out and realize his potential. While he can play 1B, he has spent most of his professional career playing the OF. The Pirates’ OF picture appears set with Marte, McCutcheon, and Polanco. They also have Josh Bell and Austin Meadows in the system, seemingly squeezing Lambo out. The Pirates do have a need at 1B but it doesn’t appear that Lambo is being considered for that slot. Even with his breakout year, he didn’t crack the Pirates’ BA Top 10 prospects. Given all of that, he seems to be a prime candidate for the Pirates to cash in on and someone the Mets should consider picking up before he makes it big with another team.
Considering the questions that may surround him, I’m not suggesting the Mets pay top dollar to acquire him, nor should they just hand 1B over to him. However, the team needs to turn the page on Ike Davis and I don’t think Lucas Duda is the answer. I could see the Mets dealing an arm for him and giving him a chance to win the 1B job in spring training. It could be a chance for the Mets to address and area of need on the cheap, get great production, and still be able to fill the other holes in the lineup. For a more detailed scouting writeup on Lambo, check out –
http://alturl.com/968eb.
After these 3 moves, the core 13 (and salaries) of the Next Mets would look like this:
- CF Ellsbury (16)
- ---
- 3B Wright (20)
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- OF Beltran (10)
- ---
- 1B Lambo (0.5)
- Ca d’Arnaud (0.5)
SP1 Harvey (0.5)
SP2 Niese (5)
SP3 Wheeler (0.5)
SP4 ---
SP5 ---
This team could be well-positioned for the next 5 or so seasons. Ellsbury would be signed for that long and should not see much drop-off in production as he is in his prime years. Wright is signed through 2020 and Jon Niese through 2018. We know that Lambo, d’Arnaud, Harvey, and Wheeler are at the beginning of their careers and should be here for a long time assuming they produce. While Beltran would only be here for 2-3 years he’d be a great placeholder and a temporary solution for the middle of the lineup. He could also act as a mentor and leader for the younger players. If Lambo realizes his power potential at the MLB level, he can rotate up to the #5 spot in the lineup when Beltran rides off into the sunset. Brandon Nimmo should be ready by then and could slide into RF and take the #7 spot in the lineup. If these two young players don’t pan out, the Mets would have 2-3 years to find other solutions.
As it stands, the Core 13 would have 8 slots filled to the tune of $52M. If we’re assuming a payroll of $100M for the year, that leaves $48M for 3 field positions and 2 starting pitchers, excluding bench and bullpen. The remaining 2 SP’s will likely be making the minimum or close to it.
I’m assuming Syndergaard will be up at some point next year and take one of the spots. He was just named the top pitching prospect in TWO leagues for this year and appears to be getting better. At this point, he has to be the clear #1 pitching prospect and likely #1 overall in the organization. I wouldn’t trade him for almost anyone right now. I would give him a chance to make the rotation out of spring training and spare him having to pitch in Vegas, but I think the org. will hold off until Super2 is passed. Not only is it a financial decision, but it’s also strategic in that Harvey, Wheeler, and Syndergaard will become FA in successive years and none would hit free agency at the same time. We can’t be sure right now who will fill the other slot or who will hold Thor’s place until he arrives. However, with Gee, Hefner, Mejia, DeGrom, and Montero in the organization, I don’t see Sandy going outside to fill a slot unless he has to trade them all away (not likely) or decides he wants another LHP (doubtful). I’m leaving the spots open for now until the trade market comes into focus a bit better.
I could put together a lineup that includes other pieces, but players are likely going to be dealt this winter. I could see Flores lined up at 2B or he could just as easily be playing for another team next year. I think part of the reason the Mets kept him in the minors for so long was to protect his trade value. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Mejia dealt. A month ago the Mets would have been facing a difficult decision on trading Syndergaard or Montero for a hitter. Now, they have ‘found money’ in Mejia. He has Syndergaard’s upside but can also be considered expendable like Montero. Putting together Flores, Gee, and Mejia would be a solid foundation for a trade package, especially to a team with pitching needs and a corner IF need (maybe even 2B).
Given that almost all of the team’s trade pieces will likely still be in the organization (I don’t see Lambo costing a top prospect) and that at least the other 2 SP’s will likely be making the minimum, the FO can make these moves listed to add to the foundation and still have plenty of resources available to complete the roster and put a real contender on the field.
33 comments:
While I agree with your pursuit of Ellsbury, I wouldn't give Beltran 3 years, nor is he going to get less than the $13M he is making. I would not be surprised to see the Cardinals giving Beltran a $13.3MM qualifying offer honestly.
Why not an OF of Young in LF, Ellsbury in CF, and Lagares in RF? Its not a whole of power but boy is it amazing defensively and like we are showing now, you dont need 8 power hitters to win games, speed kills too.
CF- Ellsbury (10 HR)
2B- Flores (15 HR)
3B- Wright (20 HR)
1B- Davis (30 HR)
C- d'Arnaud (15 HR)
SS- Open
LF- Young (5 HR)
RF- Lagares (5 HR)
P1- Harvey (~2.00 ERA)
P2- Wheeler (~2.80 ERA)
P3- Niese (~3.30 ERA)
P4- Mejia (~3.40 ERA)
P5- Gee (~4.00 ERA) Replaced by Thor in June 2014
Shit looking at this....I see no reason why we couldn't compete for a NL Wild Card at a bare minimum.
I'd give Beltran 2 with a team option for a third.
I think expecting 30 HR out of Davis is a bit silly at thus point, no?
And no, over the long haul I don't think can win without another slugger or two. Having speed is good but there needs to be a balance.
Plus I'm not sold on EYJ or Lagares. Lagares is coming back to earth and Young never really left it.
By all means no on Davis. He has looked much better lately at the plate and I am in the camp that believes that Mets brass won't give up on him.
You don't accidentally hit 32 HRs in a season. Let's not forget we've seen him hit some monster home runs in the past so the power is obviously there. If you put Wright in front of him and a .290/15 HR Catcher in d'Arnaud behind him, Davis is going to start getting more pitches to hit.
I think Irony is going to rear its head in Davis' case. We'll all moan and groan about him during the off-season and he'll come out and hit 12 HR in April.
Lagares coming back to earth and Young never left? If they are both on earth (normal production) then I am VERY happy with what is considered their normal production. I'll take a .270 average and stellar defense any day of the week.
Call me insane.....
But I really think we are 1 or 2 pieces OUTSIDE of the organizaion away from contending.
Lagares' average is buoyed by his .340 in July and he's been hitting .240 so far in August...it's too early to know what we have in him, I can't see just handing over a starting job on a contending team to a player so streaky and so young. EYJ is about a .250 hitter. That could be hidden in a more productive lineup but the Mets are going to need to add more talent to do that and the OF makes the most sense. If Young was a SS it might be different.
I can't see this team hitting Flores 2nd, Davis 4th and d'Arnaud 5th. Flores will clog the bases btw Wright and Ellsbury. Fonzie was a great #2 hitter and while he was no speed demon he could move while Flores has cinder blocks tied to his legs. He's better off in an RBI spot lower in the order. Your faith in Davis is a bit rose-colored as we thought the same things about him going into this year. Can he hit 30HR? Sure. Does it make sense to EXPECT it after his recent performances? No way. If you want to forego Lambo and put Ike at 1B/7th in the lineup, I can get in board. But, if the Mets begin the season with him hitting cleanup again they're asking for trouble. As far as d'Arnaud I like him as much as anybody but I don't think putting an untested rookie in such a prime spot is smart. Too much pressure and he's too unproven. Bring in veterans and let him ease into the bigs. Not to mention, relying on your catcher (Piazza, Carter, Posey notwithstanding) for such important production can be a recipe for disaster. Just look at what happened to the Giants when Posey had a play at the plate two years ago. Having a fine offensive catcher is an advantage over almost all other teams. Bumping him to fifth and putting below average players at other more traditionally offensive positions negates that advantage.
The Mets could scrap for a wild card with a couple of additions. That's not what I'm looking for. They're building a powerhouse rotation and with a great offense they could be unstoppable.
I agree with you Soto because of the internal pitching. You can see how much easier it seems to play this game with Matt Harvey in it. Hopefully that will continue with Wheeler and Syndergaard. Even the Mejia games play better.
Position wise, the Mets need to first solve one thing before looking outside the organization... you have 4 guys (Davis, Murphy, Flores, Wright) but only three positions to put them on.
I don't know Mack, it seems easy to me.
You have 3 guys and 2 positions. Wright is the 3B, no debate. Davis is hitting under .200 on the year. I would use his recent performance as a way to boost his trade value and move on. The guy is a head case and can't be relied on. The decision comes down to Murphy and Flores. Does Wilmer play 1B or does he bump Murphy in the hope that the team can upgrade at First....or does a team require him in trade.
EYJ has been hitting .271 since coming over to the Mets and getting consistent playing. A BABIP of .320 suggests that while it may drop a tick, his batting average is otherwise sustainable. Throw in 15 SB so far and good defense so far and I can def see EYJ slotting into the #7 hole in the Mets future line-up.
As for d'Arnaud, he does not need to be babied into the MLB like Wheeler/Flores. He's been MLB ready for quite some time and is a premier talent at the Catching position.
Flores was moving pretty good last night going from 2nd to home on Quintanilla's base hit don't make him sound like Jose Molina out there.
I'm not defending Davis but we wouldn't be having this discussion if the season started at the all-star break. He'd be leading the league in OBP and, though his pop would be down, there would be no discussion that he isn't part of the Mets future.
I always go with the youth and, in the long run, Flores' glove will hurt you less on first base.
My 2014 infield, until something better comes along, would be
1B Flores
2B: Murphy
SS Tejada
3B: Wright
Yes, I would trade Davis... in a package.
I agree on trading Davis as part of a deal. I think his recent weeks could boost his value to a team with a glaring hole at 1B like Colorado. Dumping him for scraps doesn't make sense. But adding a young arm or 2 and a MILB hitter could be attractive as an offer.
I'm also done with Tejada FWIW.
I like EYJ but as a bench player/4th OF. He hit over .300 last year but at about .240 the previous years. This year he has also been very up and down. I don't feel comfortable hitting him leadoff so the Mets would have to add help there. We both seem to agree on Ellsbury so for the sake of argument lets pencil him in and say that's one OF position down.
I still think the Mets NEED to add a middle if the order bat and the OF makes the most sense...so that clogs up another OF position. Maybe he could hit 2nd and play the remaining spot but I doubt it.
As far as Flores,Davis, and d'Arnaud, not only do I think it's risky to put them in these positions (Flores and d'Arnaud's youth and Davis' fickle nature) it's also a serious misallocation of resources. If the Mets have Ellsbury leadoff, Wright 3rd, and Flores-Davis-d'Arnaud hit 6-8, it accomplishes a number of things. First it mitigates the uncertainty with these players and opens other lineup spots for proven major league hitters. Also, if you're correct and they produce at a 2-4-5 lineup clip, coming from the bottom of the lineup the Mets offense could be DEVASTATING. Those 3 will be making 4-6 million total, opening up salary for acquisitions. If the Mets add two established MLB players to that group to hit in the middle of the order, they could have one of the deepest lineups in MLB to go with an elite pitching staff.
Its not that i disagree, i just dont see this happening. This also assumes that no one is bidding but the mets for any player.
Regardless, there are a few things that as a Met fan i see happening that are going to screw this whole thing up.
First, Ike davis is going to hit just enough from here on out (last 2 weeks too) to make people think that he's going to be a 30 hr player next year. This also means that the internal but not external valuation will go up on what they think he would be worth in a trade. Making him nearly impossible to trade for a team that puts a lot of weight in their valuations of assets.
Second, if the Mets keep playing well, they will finish with the 11th or 12th worst record and they will not go out and buy a free agent who has been qualified so that they have to lose their first round pick.
As i think about the mets, and their modus operandi i think my and their plan is more likely to include trades augmented by a free agent signing then by free agent signings augmented by trades.
I agree on trading Davis, and this is coming from a guy who was outspoken in support of him, I even have his jersey. I'm with Mack on what our infield should be baring trades or FA signings.
1b Flores
2B Murphy
SS Tejada
3B Wright
While Flores has a strong arm he does not pass the eye test for range that he'd need at 2nd and that's just watching him play 3rd for 2 games (obviously this is the smallest of sample sizes but I don't see him being a better 2b then Murph who is decent but no gold glove.) Tejada has had 2 solid years and 1 bad. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to give him one more shot.
I'm fine with counting on 1 of EYjr and Lagares in the outfield but I don't want to count on them for two starting spots. I'm still hoping lagares keeps hitting and solidifies his spot and EYjr becomes the best 4th OF super sub in the league.
If you want to do this without trading away any prospects sign Ellsbury and Beltran.
CF Ellsbury
LF Lagares
3B Wright
RF Belran
1b Flores
2b Murpy
c d'Arnaud
SS Tejada
That's a solid lineup without giving up a prospect though you are blocking some of the Mets OF prospects for about 2 years with Beltran. If you think Flores can can hack it at 2nd I would try and trade for Encarnacion from the Jays and not sign Beltran. In some ways it would be best to trade Flores in this scenario to help keep the lineup from getting too righty intensive. You could have...
CF Ellsbury
RF Lagares
3B Wright
1B Encarnacion
2b Murpy
c d'Arnaud
LF EYjr, Puello, Lawley
SS Tejada
Or you can combine the two concepts and sign Beltran anyways for option 3.
CF Ellsbury
LF Lagares
3B Wright
RF Beltran
1B Encarnacion
2b Murpy
c d'Arnaud
SS Tejada
I'm with most of you guys on the rotation though.
opening day
1 Harvey
2 Niese
3 Wheeler
4 Gee
5 Mejia
At the Allstar game rotational reset
1 Harvey
2 Wheeler
3 Niese
4 Mejia
5 Thor
Filthy looking there. I think we should keep Hefner and resign Torres to be long men in the pen as well (unless one of them has enough value in a trade.)
This team really only 2-3 players away. The pitching has grown by leaps and bounds this year and while there have been some disappointments in the field (Davis, Tehada) there have been successes as well.
If sandy can make those 2-3 inquisitions this off-season and with some luck in tthe health department anything could happen in 2014. It's still more likely tto happen in 15 after all these guys hav e had 1 more year to grow and learn to play together but with that much talent it could happen in '14/
Then they're not looking to win in 2014. It's finally time to be aggressive.
Lambo? Really? If the pirates wont give him a chance at a position he can play and they need than somethings wrong. The writing is on the wall with Lambo...He's not a major league caliber starter. He strikes out a bit too much, he doesnt do well against lefties. How many lefties would be in the lineup with Elsbury as well? I made a similar thought with a man named Kyle Blanks from the padres. He was killin it in AAA one year. We needed a 1st baseman, i swore he would be the answer...and we see how his career is...Lets trade or sign an established player, no more gambling on hopeful pan outs.
Idk, I say, Sign Garza.....Sign Choo......Sign.....Cruz or Beltran and go to war with Lagares and EYJ
Harvey
Garza
Niese
Wheeler
Whomever can hold the spot for Syndergaard
EYJ
Murph
Wright
Choo
Cruz
Davis
D'arnaud
Tejada
Pitcher
World series 2014!
I would even love to put Flores in place over Davis. Can Montero, Davis and someone else bring us a nice outfielder?
Yes Lambo really. The Pirates are in a pennant race and aren't willing to take a chance on a unproven rookie. He's on pace for about 165 Ks but I'll take that with 40 HR power out of my #7 hitter. And he has a .900 OPS against lefties.
You're saying lets go with proven at 1B and then putting in Davis? He's far from proven at this point. I'd rather save the money, flip him in a deal and take a flyer on Lambo. The power should come from the OF
If the Mets truly have the money to spend in 2014 and beyond, and you really wanted to improve this team long range plus add additional positive spin on the clubhouse, put a deal together for Tulo.
My first salvo would be Davis, Montero, Gee, and Lawley
Tulo is always injured, I would never trade up decent prospects, take on his contract for the amount of time he spends on the DL. How much longer could he potentially stay at short anyway? He wont be a SS by the time his contract expires. He is exactly what we should stay away from.
There is a reason why Lambo played half his age 24 season in AA. I think he is no of a AAAA player Valentino Pascucci. Pennant race or not Pittsburgh has not tried him because he's a bum. Not a future everyday player. They aren't getting anything from Neil Walker. If Lambo was an everyday player, you replace walker with him. But they haven't, because he's not a long term solution and its crazy that you would think otherwise. Especially over someone like Davis. Reminder, Davis did hit 32 last year. He has GG defense at first. Don't fall in love with the home run ball. Its harder to hit home runs when you cant make contact. You want to add someone to the lineup that would probably produce similarly to Davis before the all star break.
Only time will tell, but I'm 100% certain the Mets aren't looking at Lambo and thank god for that. Is this guy even in conversations for other teams? Haven't heard him ever being discussed.
"Tulo is always injured" - he had 543 at bats in 2009 (.297), 470 in 2010 (.250), and 537 in 2011 (.302)... he was injured in 2012... he's not now (.312)... he has not spent the kind of time on the DL that you claim. He's an all-star shortstop and he's 28 years old.
"I would never trade up decent prospects" - then, what would you do with them? You only can put 25 men on your 25-man squad and you have 9 minor league teams... having 9-10 starters isn't going to get this team to the playoffs.
I still think it's a good idea... he's two years younger than Wright and I can't see either of them being moved off their positions
This is management philosophy that would give up a first round pick for a 5 year prime player, but wont for anything else. basically for them to justify the opportunity cost they would be looking at the type of player everyone believes is worth over 100mm for the life of his contract. so clayton kershaw, giancarlo stanton, ages 27 free agency, absolutely, jacoby ellisbury, age 32, on a 3-5 year deal plus a first round pick, absolutely not. as shown they also have no desire to go over 3 years guaranteed for free agents.
dont just spend money to spend money, winning the offseason is nice, but they dont give trophies for it.
this is very much a McKinsey & Co philosophy.
what every owner in baseball but the yankees, dodgers, tigers and angels seem to have concluded is that there good ways to spend money and bad ways to spend money. good is 3 year contracts that doesnt cost draft choices, bad is kyle lohse. The tigers also have a 90 year old billionare owner who'd like to win a ws before he dies and doesnt care about money. the other 3 are trying to justify the payouts they are receiving from MSO's.
they are looking to start the window on winning in 2014, not necessarily to win.
One thing everyone needs to realize about the 2014 draft.
It is VERY deep, especially in high school and college pitchers.
I expect there will be plenty of talent available for the Mets 1st-3rd picks, regardless which position overall it would be.
Mack - you're spot on with Tulo.
Lambo was a top 50 overall prospect but that long ago, was rushed, lost time to a suspension and more to injury. Are there questions? Sure. But writing him off as Pascucci at this point is laughable. It's easy to dump all over a guy when you take a quick look at his age and level and not do any further research.
Bums don't have 40 HR power.
http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/first_pitch_its_not_time_to_free_andrew_lamboyet/13930474
They also haven't called him up because he's not on the 40-man.
http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-why-not-andrew-lambo.html
I get it, you still like Davis.
Mack, some people don't want facts to get in the way of their opinions.
Michael:
I try very hard to stay away from opinion, even though I know most of my readers know I've "been around" and have privy sometimes to some inside info.
I try to put up mostly facts on my morning report... and then I will add an opinion (usually preceded by 'IMO').
Fans are tough to win over. Everyone has a different spin, but the toughest have never played this game.
There are 7 billion people on the earth and 2 are all-star shortstops... come on.
(I guess we know what the "War Room" subject will be...)
Mac - Tulo! I love it. The question is this: Would you part with one of Wheeler or Syndergaard to get him. I would certainly do Wheeler plus for Tulo.
You're probably right... it probably would take either Harvey or Wheeler; however neither of them, nor Syndergaard would be available if I was the GM. Period.
Any other Met other than Wright is discussable...
isnt the high level of the draft even more of a reason to hold onto your draft pick or monetary allocation?
rather have 3 picks in a good draft then 2 or 4 in a less talented one
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