Ernest Dove - Has Dillon Gee pitched his last game for the New York Mets?


  I've always been, and still consider myself, a Dillon Gee fan.  From the time Gee came on the scene, whether he was being considered a possible long relief guy, who battling/earning his spot in the back end of the rotation, I've been rooting for him.
  And as come towards the end of the season, and most likely watch Bartolo Colon pitch his way to 200 innings, I think about how Gee, just last year, pitched 199 innings, his most as a major leaguer.  Earlier this year, I wrote a post detailing my thoughts, backed up by stats, showing Gee starting out having a career type year for him, specifically in the area of hits per 9 innings, which is still his best in the league, at 8.1/9.
  However, the long ball has continued to be a problem, with Gee now being credited with his worst HR/9in season of his career (1.2/9).  That, in addition to another season which included a stint on the DL, and leading to Gee going from a career high 199 innings to only 132.1 this year. 
  There's also been the never ending saga, concerns, conspiracy theory of what happen to Dillon after he hits that mysterious 90 pitch mark, and/or 6th inning of a ball game.  Though never quite known for pitching deep into games, Dillon did manage 2 complete games last year, while recording none this year; 
  All this to return to original point and question of the article.  Have we seen the last of Dillon Gee in a Mets uniform?  Throughout the year, we hyped the pending arrivals of Noah Syndergaard and Rafael Montero.  Montero has had his turn, and has shown some concerns of his own with going deep into games, and giving up the dreaded long ball. However, he is still the rookie in the equation, with 'potential'. Syndergaard has yet to appear this year, but remains well regarded, with ongoing high expectations for the 2015 season........ Oh, and there's that guy Matt Harvey, who might be expecting to pitch for the team next season.  So, recently, the same name are being thrown around.  Bartolo Colon, Jonathan Niese, and Dillon Gee.
  Well, regarding Colon, we know he's old.  We know he's got a big salary owed to him (I know, a slight Wilpon dig should be added here), but we also know he's about to reach that 200 inning mark this coming weekend.  We also know he's done that by consistently pitching into the 7th and 8th inning. 
  As far as Niese ,   He has been somewhere in the neighborhood, stat wise with previous seasons.  He has been a workhorse for this organization in the recent past, and has stepped up when asked to pitch for the Mets to open a season, and be their Ace (by default). Oh, did I mention that he is a lefty?  This might be the number one factor, going into the offseason. As the front office, Sandy Alderson, and all the Mets fans out there, argue about potential, veterans, letting the kiddies play, etc., the biggest thing you can't change is the arm Niese uses to throw.  Yes, technically, the Mets have 1, just one, other high level lefty starter in the organization with a high ceiling of his own (Matz) However, pitching close to a no hitter in a AA ball playoff game, does not guarantee a spot on the 25 man roster the next season.
  In this whole thing, at this point, it has to be about having trust and faith in Sandy Alderson.  I just don't see the Mets simply showing up at he winter meetings, and getting everything they want, while trading away every valuable trade piece they have, during those meetings.  So, technically, the only immediate possible addition to the rotation would be Matt Harvey.  Which only opens up one spot.
 Plus (warning, Wilpon dig coming), there is the issue of money.  Colon is probably a must go. Although, honestly, theres nothing wrong with a guy pitching another 185 decent innings for your organization again.  But if you can't dump that $11 mil on somebody else for some good prospects, and if Matz is taking the same path that most prospects, under Sandy and company, always take, then Niese (and that left arm) by remain a necessity. 
  This leaves we with that same ol' Gee.  The guy who may be squeezed out of the rotation, and in case in anyone thought it could be possible, he might also be priced out of beating out Carlos Torres and his cheaper salary, as Gee goes through that confusing arbitration process.
  So, obviously, I have no crystal ball.  But I've always considered myself pretty good at Math.  I know that 5, in baseball, has to always equal 5.  And, no matter the Braves type possible catastrophe, the Mets still have returning, and soon to be entering, AAA pitchers who project to be major league caliber starters. 
  I honestly just don't see (one last Wilpon dig) this team adding too many big pieces this offseason, no matter the position of pitcher or hitter. So we are still looking at viewing a similar 25 man roster in the coming year ahead. However, along with the familiar names, I still obviously assume that at least 1 current starting pitcher will be wearing a new uniform next year.  Do you think that one also happens to be a Gee?


Thomas Brennan said...

If the fences do get brought in, Gee and Colon would go from bad to worse in homers allowed. I'd move both. Matz lacks major league experience, but allowed 3 homers in 2014. Something to think about

Ernest Dove said...

How would new dimensions effect Montero's future with ballclub ?

Mack Ade said...

Ernest -

First of all, thank you for your Friday posts.

I too have been very fond of Gee and remember the days that most Mets pundits thought 'the other Dylan' (Owen) would be the big star pitcher on this team.

He and Niese should be considered to go down the road that many other starters have gone (Familia, Mejia).

In addition, Gee hasn't made= it very easy to trade him this season.

I remember when Aaron Heilman balked all the way to the pen, as did Bobby Parnell. All starters hate becoming relievers, but this team must make room sometime this year for both Syndergaard and Matz.

Thomas Brennan said...

Fair question on Montero, Ernest, he did surrender a bunch of homers in his get-his-feet-wet-in-the-bigs time in 2014.

But he's only surrendered 20 in almost 440 career minor league innings. Now adjusted to bigs, I think he'd do fine with shorter fences. He can start by showing us that tomorrow.

Gee in pen and as a 6th starter? That could work.

Ernest Dove said...

Its been a pleasure writing for ur site the past two years. ..I look forward to writing more posts, and hopefully my daughter ever decides to sleep more, and tag along to some trips to st Lucie and marlins park for games.......
Im still worried about the whole innings limit phenomenon, and what that means for Harvey, Thor and matz in 2015.

Mack Ade said...

The amount of innings being thrown is one issue, but the amount of pitchers being thrown in those innings is another.

Hopefully, the three you named above will return some consistency for seeing a Mets starter still pitching in the 7th inning.

Reese Kaplan said...

For the very reasons you list that Gee is likely not to pitch for the Mets again would be why it would be hard to trade him. The preference would be dealing Gee over Niese as they probably want Matz to get some time in AAA and unless we're game for a redux of John Lannan there are no other lefty starters healthy and in the pipeline.

Unfortunately other teams will more likely be asking about Wheeler, Syndergaard, to a lesser extent Montero and probably Matz. They likely understand that Harvey and de Grom are off the table. If anyone actually wanted Colon he would have been gone already.

Thomas Brennan said...

Hi Reese

A savvy business person would look at a deal like Colon's and figure that the real value derived from his first season would exceed that of his second, since as a guy goes into his 40's, the deterioration can come quickly. So they should treat his contract value as if they paid him $12MM for 2014 and $8MM for 2015, and be therefore willing to eat a few million to move him. They got their $12MM worth this year.

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