Everybody is
going to start grading Mets players this time of the year who we’ll use the
ones on this site and add some thoughts:
Travis
d’Arnaud, catcher - The season did not start out well for the Mets’ top
hitting prospect. But after a quick trip to Triple-A he returned as the
prospect the front office thought he’d be when he was acquired in the R.A.
Dickey deal. Grade: B– http://www.metro.us/newyork/sports/mlb/2014/09/30/mets-2014-report-card/
OF Michael Brantley, Cleveland Indians - Eno Sarris
mentioned recently that he saw results of a recent NFBC draft or mock draft – I
forget which already, dangit – and this fantasy baseball darling went like 15th
overall. I’d already assumed that Brantley’s price would be a little rich for
my blood in 2015, and this is only one sample, but my blood will completely
reject that type. Brantley’s .327/.385/.506 slash line, with 20 home runs and
23 stolen bases, in 676 plate appearances in his age-27 season made him a
top-five money earner, but these days we know that – generally speaking, only,
granted – players are past peak at that stage of their careers. Brantley’s
batted-ball rates (28.2% fly balls, 12.7% HR/FB) and average homer distances,
even if untrustworthy at face value, indicate that this type of performance
isn’t regularly within his grasp, though. The stolen base opportunities will
fall with some correction in his batting average, too. http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/i-surely-wont-own-these-5-players-in-2015/
Mark Mokris asked -
Mark Mokris asked -
Hello Mack, I
hope all is well with you and your family.
With the free agent market being thin in power bat outfielders I was
wondering what you would think it would take to get Marcell Ozuna from the Marlins? The
Marlins are stacked with good pitching prospects in the minors so I was
thinking about ready major league players in return. Based upon what I saw, Ozuna is definitely
not a centerfielder but profiles as an above average right fielder. The reason this is important is because
Marlins park is even more spacious than Citi and Marlins have already said they
aren't going to trade Stanton until after 2015 season if at all and Yelich has
said he does not want to move to first base.
My proposed trade would be Wilmer Flores (can
switch to his best position third base), Dilson Herrera
(long term answer at second base) and Matt den Dekker
(legit defensive centerfielder but who knows whether he can be everyday
regular). This is obviously a lot to
give up especially if Herrera and Flores hit like expected but would be trading
for proven power and a gun for an arm in right field. Granderson has one of the worst arms in
baseball and needs to be moved to left field.
The other possibility is to switch out Flores with Murphy. This actually make trade more manageable for
both sides. That would give Marlins a
legit bat back that can play third, second, or first depending on who else they
can sign and would open second base for Flores who is far superior than Murphy
at turning the double play. Too much,
too little, which team hangs up the phone? Or would you prefer Jay Bruce?
Mack
– Jay who?
No one has ever brought up
Ozuna before, nor have many people ever considered Miami a possible trading
partner with the Mets, but their owner has proven a couple of times that he is
willing to start completely over just do he’s in total control.
(by the way, please don’t tell
m that Alderson may not be wrong when it comes to being able to field a
competitive team for a combined salary in the $80-85mil range. Miami is doing
it for under $46mil[i])
Ozuna may be pre-ARB, but he’s
not going to stay making $505K for much longer.
You’ve also done your research
well on your proposed trade. The team controlled combination of Flores and
Herrera would be perfect 2015 replacements for Adeiny
Hechavvaria ($2.2mil-2014)
and Rafael Furcal ($3.5mil-2014), and offering
someone like Kevin
Plawecki isn’t
going to do you much good when they have Jarrod
Saltalamacchia under
contract through 2016.
Do I like the idea? Sure, but I’d
hate to lose Herrera.
Could Sandy pull it off? Take
out den Dekker and add Brandon
Nimmo and probably.
[i] https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tQJ2iJ0-ErOo_z9G3xKSQ9g&output=html
Jan Groot -
Eno-Chat -
Comment From Bomokk - Brett Gardener and a middle relief pitcher for Daniel Murphy, Jon Niese, and Eric Young Jr. Who says no? and why do they say no?
Jan Groot -
Good morning
Mack. It is nice to have that many pitchers. You can never have too many of
those, right? I looked at what the Mets "have" and came up with the
following.
For the Mets
you got 6 starters, Harvey, DeGrom, Wheeler, Colon, Niese and Gee. You can put
Mejia, Familia, Black, Torres, Edgin and Eveland in the bullpen. If you want
you could put Gee in the bullpen as the long man/spot starter. So that's next
year's pitching staff.
On to Las
Vegas.
The
following guys all could pitch in Las Vegas as starters.
"Leftovers"
from 2013 are Montero, Syndergaard, Verrett, Mazzoni and Bowman. Then you got
the Binghamton starters who earned a promoton, Matz and Pill.
But to come
back at the question, Jon Niese: Stay or Go ??????????? I think he goes. The
Dodgers have a very crowded outfield and have 3 starters under contract,
Kershaw, Greinke and Ryu. How can there not be a match between the Mets and
Dodgers? What will it take to get Joc Pederson? Or should the Mets settle for
Scott Van Slyke? Scott does have an OPS of 910 in 200+ AB (297/386/524)
Perhaps the
Dodgers and Mets should make a bold move. Syndergaard, Plawecki, Niese and Kirk
for Pederson, Urias and Van Slyke. I dont know if this is a fair deal but it
gives the Mets a RF/CF (Pederson) a LF (Van Slyke) (both with power) and a very
young and talented lefty (Urias). It gives the Dodgers a solid #4 (Niese)
behind Kershaw, Greinke and Ryu. A near ready every day catcher (Plawecki), a
near ready starter (Syndergaard) and a #5 OF-er (Kirk)
And why
would both teams make this trade? The Dodgers have Crawford (2017), Ethier
(2017), Kemp (2019) and Puig (2018) under contract. Other then Puig, no match
for the Mets because of the money. So is there room for Pederson? And when the
Mets include Kirk the Dodgers might be willing to deal Van Slyke. The Mets on
the other hand have a very crowded rotation and even more in Las Vegas so the
Mets could deal their top pitching prospect and a "cheap" lefty under
contract after 2018. With d'Arnaud the Mets could trade Plawecki and the
Dodgers realy dont have any type of catching in their farm.
What do you think about the Mets-Dodgers deal?
Jan –
Thank you for your question.
As
you have found out on your own, the Mets and Dodgers would make for wonderful
trade partners in this off-season. I just watched game one of their playoff
game against St. Louis and this team simply can’t field all the outfield talent
they have. When healthy (like now) they are unmatched in baseball.
It
seems to me that you have a choice of three to pick from. Matt Kemp and Carl Crawford’s contracts are never going to be
assumed by the Wilpons. You can forget about Yasiel
Puig for so many
reasons, which leaves you Andre
Eithier ($17.5mil/2017,
team option/2018), Scott
Van Slyke (27-yrs.
Old, 212-AB, .297, 11-HR), and Joc
Pederson (AAA:
.303, 33-HR, 78-RBI).
Everything
here revolves around two factors. One, how important does the Dodgers think
they need to upgrade their catcher in 2015 and, two, would they rather just go
out and do like they’ve done in the recent past and buy who they want.
Frankly,
any deal with the Dodgers could come down to the relationship between the
General Managers, which, I have no knowledge of.
Eno-Chat -
Comment From Bomokk - Brett Gardener and a middle relief pitcher for Daniel Murphy, Jon Niese, and Eric Young Jr. Who says no? and why do they say no?
Eno Sarris:
The Yanks had as much trouble on offense as with pitching, so maybe they say
no. As for Mets… they need power a little more than OBP/speed, but they need
offense in general more than anything, so I kinda like it.
Mack - this was Gardner's 7th season at the MLB level and he had never hit more than 8-HR in one season (2013). Then, all of a sudden, he hits 17 this past year. His first 6 seasons... 0, 3, 5, 7, 0, 8... hmm...
Mack - this was Gardner's 7th season at the MLB level and he had never hit more than 8-HR in one season (2013). Then, all of a sudden, he hits 17 this past year. His first 6 seasons... 0, 3, 5, 7, 0, 8... hmm...
Comment From
Fronk - Zach Wheeler, Daniel Murphy and D’Arnaud
for Bautista, who wins?
Eno Sarris:
It’s one year of Bautista so it’s not happening.
Comment From
Josh - Predict the Mets OD 2016 middle infield.
Eno Sarris:
Wright Flores Herrera Duda. Murphy/Niese go in a package to get something tasty
for the lineup. Eh. Now that I write that. Shrugs.
Comment From
Mike - Could the Mets sign Jed Lowrie?
Eno Sarris:
Only if they trade Colon and/or Murphy for cost savings.
Comment From
Bomok - Braves to rebuild? Can the Mets get Simmons? if so, who fr. Same Q
about Gattis for LF.
Eno Sarris:
Gattis is an interesting idea, they don’t seem to value D as much as some. But
there’s not much projection left in Gattis. Even if Braves make moves, they’ll
keep Simmons.
Mack - Simmons isn't going anywhere.
Mack - Simmons isn't going anywhere.
Comment From
Milby - More likely to maintain gains in 2015: Steve Pearce or Lucas Duda?
Eno Sarris:
For me, it’s Duda
We’re got
two teams left in our search for a 2015 SS and/or LF/RF.
Up next is
the Seattle Mariners. According to Cot[i],
the 2014 salaries for the Mariners is $90,239,643.
The Mariners
outfield consists of Dustin Ackley ($1.7mil
through 2014), Austin Jackson ($6mil,
ARB-2/2014), and Michael Saunders ($2.3mil –
ARB-1). Subs are Endy Chavez (2015 free agent) Chris Denorfia ($2.25mil/2014 – FA-2015).
Shortstop
duty fell to Brad Miller (pre-ARB). 2B/SS Willie Bloomquist ($3mil-2015) is out for the season
with knee surgery.
Prospect
wise, the future is OF Alex Jackson (2017 ETA).
SS Chris Taylor (PCL-AAA: .328, 5-HR) is ready
to make the jump. And the guy to keep an eye on is OF Gabriel
Guerrero (A+: .307, 18-HR, 96-RBI). He projects as a right fielder.
Mack
Observation - A lot of you here think
the best way for Sandy Alderson to go is by dealing off individual excess
pitching pieces for future high reward projected prospects. Guerrero would be
perfect for this kind of trade.
28 comments:
"Brantley’s .327/.385/.506 slash line, with 20 home runs and 23 stolen bases, in 676 plate appearances in his age-27 season made him a top-five money earner, but these days we know that – generally speaking, only, granted – players are past peak at that stage of their careers." Past their peak at 27? And Mets signed Grandy to 4 years? Hmmm...
Ozuna? Interesting!. Ozuna has power, for sure, but his on base % not too high low and K's pretty high. But he is young, and if I feel Dekker improves with age, why not Ozuna? I do like power. He's got it in spades. I'd like to not do the deal with Nimmo, but prefer with Dekker.
And if we can't have Marcel Marceau, Marcell Ozuna might not be so bad.
I found Ozuna an interesting name also.
I watched a film clip of his 4 homers in 4 games in Sept. One of them was an almost-Stanton-like blast to dead center off high up on the scoreboard.
I e mailed my bro' about Ozuna and he noted the following:
It is tough to make a deal in the division.
I think Dilson is going to be a player.
I have no issue with moving Nimmo.
This trade is a tough call.
PS : Rumor on SNY … Niese and Thor to Bosox for Bogart and Cespedes.
Thomas -
Every trade talk is going to go back to Syndergaard.
The Mets are going to have to sacrifice him if they want some sleep at night regarding their 2015 outfield
No problems with that Boston trade.
How about d'Arnaud for Pederson straight up?
Right now, the Marlins look set in the OF with Yelich, Stanton & Ozuna. They have Salty behind the plate and they seem to like McGehee at 3B. If you want Ozuna, I would think you would need to offer Nimmo, Herrera & maybe Jayce Boyd which I would do. I'd then sign Murphy to an extension because he deserves it.
If you want to trade for a 23 year old outfielder with a 20 HR season under his belt, it's going to cost you.
Thunder -
You would think that, since Baseball America ranks Plawecki as a higher prospect than Pederson, you could get that one-to-one deal done with thise two.
I agree on your thoughts on Ozuna
@Mack
I would assume that's BA's pre-season or mid season ranking correct?
I'm not sure the Dodgers would even entertain trading Pedersen since he was a 30 HR/30 SB guy this year in AAA.
I think its more likely they trade 2 of Ethier/Kemp/Crawford for a bag of peanuts and half the contract salary relief.
Chris -
To be honest, I don't expect the Dodgers to part with Pederson, though I have no idea where they will play him.
It will be interesting to see what they do with those contracts in the odd-season.
Poor Scott V.S.
Mack,
Do you think Seattle would move Guerrero for Gee or would they want something more like Montero or Mejia?
Seattle has an interesting up and coming team. Future infield featuring Seager, Cano & DJ Pederson. Outfield with Austin & Alex Jackson, Gabe Guerrero & Austin Wilson plus several other role players like Dustin Ackley & Brad Miller. Catcher seems to be there biggest concern both now and while they wait. Mike Zunino had 22 HRs this year but hit below .200.
I would think we could match up somewhere here if we are trying to trade some major league help for a AA prospect like Guerrero.
Thunder -
I don't understand why most of 'us' here on MMs don't think that Sandy Alderson can pull off a trade for a minor league prospect by dealing a minor league prospect.
Plawecki is what some feel the top catcher prospect in baseball. He ought to be able to get the Mets someone like Guerrero straight up.
Mack,
I think Plawecki would fetch more than just Guerrero since he's a AAA top catching prospect who's near major league ready. Guerrero just finished a full season in A+ so he'll be off to AA next season.
A couple prospect for prospect swaps I would consider fair:
If the Pirates lose Russell Martin...Plawecki for Josh Bell or Austin Meadows.
If the Astros are concerned with Jason Castro...Plawecki for Houston OF Domingo Santana
If the Nationals are concerned with Wilson Ramos' health... Plawecki for OF Michael Taylor
Or Plawecki for the best available pitching prospect.
Pretty sure about 20 teams out there have question marks at catcher
If the Mets decide to go with Flores in the spring, a Plawecki trade could bring a decent OF prospect.... and a combined Murphy/Plawecki trade could bring a tested MLB outfielder.
The Mets have enough prospect talent and/or major league talent to get a major league proven outfielder that is ALSO young.
The focus should be on acquiring t
the likes of:
Cespedes
Heyward
etc......
Bob -
I assume you are talking about Delmon Young.
The feature post comes up around 2pm tomorrow... we'll talk more about him then, but I would appreciate we refrain from calling someone a 'cancer'. That is uncalled for and, frankly, I do not want to compare that horrible disease to someone playing a game like baseball.
I agree with you Bob that the Mets (not 'we'...) should target trying to obtain young prospect-like players for SS, OF, LHRP... but there is a chance that no team is going to give them up unless they get what they want from the Mets...and they don't want the players most of us want the Mets to trade.
We have to look at and discuss all options.
Bob -
BTW - I know you weren't the one that called Young a 'cancer'. I just made referance to that comment in my answer to you.
Bob,
Bob...
I said I made a mistake.
I'll go back to writing the main post, not commenting.
You guys do that much better than I do,
Here's a "What if?" scenario to throw out for discussion:
What if the Dodgers like Pederson enough to want him to be an everyday starter next year?
And what if they want some salary relief, and look to trade Kemp but are will ing to assume half of the $110 mil due him for the next 5 years ($21m per)?
And what if they are interested in Murphy (who could move Gordon to SS when Hanley leaves)and are willing to take on Colon?
Would you be interested in him, and what would you offer in addition to/instead of those two that might get the deal done?
Bob -
The only thing I deleted was a notification that something you had previously posted was deleted.
That's all.
If they're interested in Murphy for 2B and moving Gordon to SS, the player I'm interested in is Corey Seager.
MDD, Hererra, and Flores as a deal to the Marlins? If Miami had/has interest in these 3 players, I start with them and add more to chase after Stanton, not settle for Ozuna.
Bob -
I never read your original comment that was deleted. Let's move on :)
Just for future reference, how can I delete a post of mine that I change my mind about?
Bill,
If you'll look at any post of yours, you'll see a trashcan icon. Click on that, and the rest is self-explanatory.
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